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The reason for the fuzziness should be obvious. It's really far away and it's really hard to see. Expecting a jump from "never seen before" to "seen in amaz

The reason for the fuzziness should be obvious. It's really far away and it's really hard to see. Expecting a jump from "never seen before" to "seen in amazing visual clarity" is unrealistic.

wallace_f 8y ago
That's also not even wrong. You can't see why? Let's say we're imagining what Uranus would look like. I draw a picture, and say it should look like a "fuzzy Jupter." But you ask, why should it look that way? Do you have a reason? And I say you should be confident, but don't provide an argument. By the end, I start talking about how it might look like Saturn. Then I come along and say, "it should be obvious the fuzziness is because it is far away." That final statement is not even wrong. It misses the point.
- darkpuma 8y ago
  Are you upset that the Veritasium video didn't explicitly spell out for you that this black hole is very far away, so the first image of it ever is basically certain to be fuzzier than IMAX fidelity computer simulations used in a Hollywood movie? I think you're being very silly.
  - wallace_f 8y ago
    What? You obviously didn't read what I wrote.
    - darkpuma 8y ago
      > "What? You obviously didn't read what I wrote. Are you ok?" You're ranting about Saturn and Jupiter for some reason. Why don't you calm down and look at page eight of the paper that Veritasium video was based on: https://ve42.co/luminet https://ve42.co/luminet "Image of a spherical black hole with thin accretion disk Astronomy and Astrophysics, vol. 75, no. 1-2, May 1979, p. 228-235" Look at that last image, and squint at it until it gets fuzzy. Lo and behold, a fuzzy coffee mug stain! Perhaps it was a mistake for him to make the focus of the video on the physics of black holes, rather than the limitations of state of the art radio interferometry... but I don't think so.
      - wallace_f 8y ago
        It's really strange that you are unable to understand such a simple complaint I made, even after going to extra effort to spell it out. You even have even become aggressive insulting. I understand that some people become that way when they get confused, but how is it possible you are confused here? I think you are literally not even reading my comments. Either that, or you are going through some personal issues right now. I think it might help you if you tried to first understand that I am not complaining about the image being fuzzy. I have no idea why you keep going back to that. I spelled out an analogy to explain this to you and you got angry and insulting. Are you really sure you are ok? You clearly have something going on.
        darkpuma 8y ago
        Mate, you insulted me first, and have just repeated that insult again. I've tried to be charitable with you.
        wallace_f 8y ago
        How did you come to the conclusion that I "insulted you first?"
        albedoa 8y ago
        You truly believe that all of the downvotes on all of your comments are the work of one account?
        castis 8y ago
        Everyone present can clearly see which person in this conversation is getting their jimmies rustled.
      - CydeWeys 8y ago
        Really awesome link, thanks for that! It's always interesting to see theory that is decades out in front of experimental confirmation, and then proves to be dead right.
- khamoud 8y ago
  He isn't explaining why the blackhole would look like a fuzzy coffee mug stain. He's explaining why the _picture_ of the blackhole will look like a fuzzy coffee mug stain. To your point, it's like taking a picture of Uranus with film and waiting for it to develop. People familiar with the matter can guess what the _image_ will look like not what Uranus actually looks like. This is all very clear in the first 25 seconds of the video if you actually listen to what he's saying.
  - wallace_f 8y ago
    The first 25 seconds of this video actually does not have sound. The 25 seconds after he begins talking is him talking about Einstein and history. Unless I'm misunderstanding your intentions and you just meant that as a condescending insult?

The reason for the fuzziness should be obvious. It's really far away and it's really hard to see. Expecting a jump from "never seen before" to "seen in amazing visual clarity" is unrealistic.

wallace_f 8y ago

That's also not even wrong. You can't see why? Let's say we're imagining what Uranus would look like. I draw a picture, and say it should look like a "fuzzy Jupter." But you ask, why should it look that way? Do you have a reason? And I say you should be confident, but don't provide an argument. By the end, I start talking about how it might look like Saturn. Then I come along and say, "it should be obvious the fuzziness is because it is far away." That final statement is not even wrong. It misses the point.

darkpuma 8y ago
Are you upset that the Veritasium video didn't explicitly spell out for you that this black hole is very far away, so the first image of it ever is basically certain to be fuzzier than IMAX fidelity computer simulations used in a Hollywood movie? I think you're being very silly.
- wallace_f 8y ago
  What? You obviously didn't read what I wrote.
  - darkpuma 8y ago
    > "What? You obviously didn't read what I wrote. Are you ok?" You're ranting about Saturn and Jupiter for some reason. Why don't you calm down and look at page eight of the paper that Veritasium video was based on: https://ve42.co/luminet https://ve42.co/luminet "Image of a spherical black hole with thin accretion disk Astronomy and Astrophysics, vol. 75, no. 1-2, May 1979, p. 228-235" Look at that last image, and squint at it until it gets fuzzy. Lo and behold, a fuzzy coffee mug stain! Perhaps it was a mistake for him to make the focus of the video on the physics of black holes, rather than the limitations of state of the art radio interferometry... but I don't think so.
    - wallace_f 8y ago
      It's really strange that you are unable to understand such a simple complaint I made, even after going to extra effort to spell it out. You even have even become aggressive insulting. I understand that some people become that way when they get confused, but how is it possible you are confused here? I think you are literally not even reading my comments. Either that, or you are going through some personal issues right now. I think it might help you if you tried to first understand that I am not complaining about the image being fuzzy. I have no idea why you keep going back to that. I spelled out an analogy to explain this to you and you got angry and insulting. Are you really sure you are ok? You clearly have something going on.
      - darkpuma 8y ago
        Mate, you insulted me first, and have just repeated that insult again. I've tried to be charitable with you.
        wallace_f 8y ago
        How did you come to the conclusion that I "insulted you first?"
      - albedoa 8y ago
        You truly believe that all of the downvotes on all of your comments are the work of one account?
      - castis 8y ago
        Everyone present can clearly see which person in this conversation is getting their jimmies rustled.
    - CydeWeys 8y ago
      Really awesome link, thanks for that! It's always interesting to see theory that is decades out in front of experimental confirmation, and then proves to be dead right.
khamoud 8y ago
He isn't explaining why the blackhole would look like a fuzzy coffee mug stain. He's explaining why the _picture_ of the blackhole will look like a fuzzy coffee mug stain. To your point, it's like taking a picture of Uranus with film and waiting for it to develop. People familiar with the matter can guess what the _image_ will look like not what Uranus actually looks like. This is all very clear in the first 25 seconds of the video if you actually listen to what he's saying.
- wallace_f 8y ago
  The first 25 seconds of this video actually does not have sound. The 25 seconds after he begins talking is him talking about Einstein and history. Unless I'm misunderstanding your intentions and you just meant that as a condescending insult?