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> I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before barga

> I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. I don’t believe you. The only stock 5 series over €100k is the M5 Limousine (€119k). All other models are well below €100k, unless they come with options / BMW Individual. 550d Touring xDrive is €82k base price (with taxes). I’m looking at a 2019 530d M package with full option and that thing would cost me €82k, after discounts comes as low as €60k (trade in). What you say with $60k is probably something like 520i base option before taxes (knowing US). So, I don’t believe that story.

wil421 8y ago
No idea how much cars cost in Germany let alone Europe only what the Germans told me. I don’t think they sell the 520i in the US, at least I can’t find them. Here’s a 540i for $62k and I guarantee I could negotiate it to less than $60 with a 6.5% tax.[1] M5s here are over 100k. 550i are about 90k. No chance of a 550d touring coming stateside, I can’t compare prices. Diesel wagon with 4 turbos wow!! [1]https://www.bmwofgwinnettplace.com/detail-2019-bmw-5_series-540i-new-18503711.html https://www.bmwofgwinnettplace.com/detail-2019-bmw-5_series-...
whycombagator 8y ago
Just for your reference, it appears the 520i is not offered in the US. The base model would be the 530i. It doesn't seem like a 530d or a 550d are offered in the US...but for some kind of comparison: with little effort I was able to find a 2019 540i xDrive with the M sport package for $53k on cargurus. Factor in taxes and its $57k. Factor in that I haven't even bothered to check autotrader or shop around emailing/calling dealers as I would do if I was interested in purchasing one. Yes you can't get that deal everywhere and it might not be typical. But it's there For $60k you can certainly get a lot more BMW than a 520i in the US
- rad_gruchalski 8y ago
  Thank you for these numbers. I just went to the German configurator to have a look at the exact prices. This is what I get: 540i base model with M package is €66250 base price after taxes, straight from the BMW dealer. But in Europe, we have VAT, depending on the country, 19 to 21%. Before the taxes, the price is: €55672. Considering the exchange rate of 1.12 USD to EUR, still significantly more expensive than in the US but far, far off of the €100k. Diesel is by default more expensive because of better economy.
- rad_gruchalski 8y ago
  Ah, I see, you are talking about a second hand car. All the numbers I included in my replies refer to a brand new car delivered to order. For a reference, I just visited a US configurator. A brand new 540i M package is exactly $62550 and the configurator says: "MSRP excludes destination & handling fee of $995, tax, title, license, and registration." Sorry, but a brand new car will be much more expensive then in the US than in Germany.
  - whycombagator 8y ago
    I think you are again confused. It’s a brand new car. The MSRP is over 60k, but MSRP != selling price. Perhaps it’s common to pay MSRP in Germany, but if you’re paying MSRP in the US for a non special vehicle you’re doing it wrong. > Sorry, but a brand new car will be much more expensive then in the US than in Germany. You’ve provided no evidence to suggest this is the case.
qubitcoder 8y ago
German cars are _significantly_ more expensive in Germany than the exact same model in the US. I was astonished at the price difference (factoring in currency conversion, VAT, etc). The same applies for electronics. I sold a used iPad to a German colleague for substantially _more_ than what I had paid for it, and it was still a bargain for him.
- gok 8y ago
  German cars in Germany are also more likely to be made in Germany, whereas a lot of the US models are made in Tennessee or South Carolina.
  - rad_gruchalski 8y ago
    Wikipedia claims that Spartanburg hosts the only US factory and only the X models (SUVs) are manufactured there.

wil421 8y ago

No idea how much cars cost in Germany let alone Europe only what the Germans told me. I don’t think they sell the 520i in the US, at least I can’t find them. Here’s a 540i for $62k and I guarantee I could negotiate it to less than $60 with a 6.5% tax.[1] M5s here are over 100k. 550i are about 90k. No chance of a 550d touring coming stateside, I can’t compare prices. Diesel wagon with 4 turbos wow!! [1]https://www.bmwofgwinnettplace.com/detail-2019-bmw-5_series-540i-new-18503711.html https://www.bmwofgwinnettplace.com/detail-2019-bmw-5_series-...

whycombagator 8y ago

Just for your reference, it appears the 520i is not offered in the US. The base model would be the 530i. It doesn't seem like a 530d or a 550d are offered in the US...but for some kind of comparison: with little effort I was able to find a 2019 540i xDrive with the M sport package for $53k on cargurus. Factor in taxes and its $57k. Factor in that I haven't even bothered to check autotrader or shop around emailing/calling dealers as I would do if I was interested in purchasing one. Yes you can't get that deal everywhere and it might not be typical. But it's there For $60k you can certainly get a lot more BMW than a 520i in the US

rad_gruchalski 8y ago
Thank you for these numbers. I just went to the German configurator to have a look at the exact prices. This is what I get: 540i base model with M package is €66250 base price after taxes, straight from the BMW dealer. But in Europe, we have VAT, depending on the country, 19 to 21%. Before the taxes, the price is: €55672. Considering the exchange rate of 1.12 USD to EUR, still significantly more expensive than in the US but far, far off of the €100k. Diesel is by default more expensive because of better economy.
rad_gruchalski 8y ago
Ah, I see, you are talking about a second hand car. All the numbers I included in my replies refer to a brand new car delivered to order. For a reference, I just visited a US configurator. A brand new 540i M package is exactly $62550 and the configurator says: "MSRP excludes destination & handling fee of $995, tax, title, license, and registration." Sorry, but a brand new car will be much more expensive then in the US than in Germany.
- whycombagator 8y ago
  I think you are again confused. It’s a brand new car. The MSRP is over 60k, but MSRP != selling price. Perhaps it’s common to pay MSRP in Germany, but if you’re paying MSRP in the US for a non special vehicle you’re doing it wrong. > Sorry, but a brand new car will be much more expensive then in the US than in Germany. You’ve provided no evidence to suggest this is the case.

qubitcoder 8y ago

German cars are _significantly_ more expensive in Germany than the exact same model in the US. I was astonished at the price difference (factoring in currency conversion, VAT, etc). The same applies for electronics. I sold a used iPad to a German colleague for substantially _more_ than what I had paid for it, and it was still a bargain for him.

gok 8y ago
German cars in Germany are also more likely to be made in Germany, whereas a lot of the US models are made in Tennessee or South Carolina.
- rad_gruchalski 8y ago
  Wikipedia claims that Spartanburg hosts the only US factory and only the X models (SUVs) are manufactured there.