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Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. I was in Germany last year talking about a 5 series rental my coworker upgraded to. I was pretty shocke

by wil421 8y ago

Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. I was in Germany last year talking about a 5 series rental my coworker upgraded to. I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. Pick it up in Munich and you can save 5%. Companies in the US don’t post prices including taxes in almost all cases.

lazyjones 8y ago
> Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. No, they sell different models in Germany. The cheapest model available in Germany currently is the LR AWD, which costs $48K in the US.
- wil421 8y ago
  I was only going by what price the OP commented. They announced the 35k price in the US but only recently started production I believe the base model is 6 months away for Europe.
gpjanik 8y ago
That's true, but the numbers still don't add up without VAT and other taxes. Without VAT and including the incentive (2k euro) it's around 43k euro which is 48k USD.
- vinay427 8y ago
  Yes, so it's virtually the same price as the equivalent model in the US. As others mentioned, the other problem is that the base model now available in the US is still months away for European markets. That being said, it doesn't seem very appropriate to complain that a car advertised as $35k USD in the US isn't available for the same price in Germany.
Tijdreiziger 8y ago
Goods are never advertised without taxes in Germany, so if it's 53k after taxes, that makes it a 53k car.
rad_gruchalski 8y ago
> I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. I don’t believe you. The only stock 5 series over €100k is the M5 Limousine (€119k). All other models are well below €100k, unless they come with options / BMW Individual. 550d Touring xDrive is €82k base price (with taxes). I’m looking at a 2019 530d M package with full option and that thing would cost me €82k, after discounts comes as low as €60k (trade in). What you say with $60k is probably something like 520i base option before taxes (knowing US). So, I don’t believe that story.
- wil421 8y ago
  No idea how much cars cost in Germany let alone Europe only what the Germans told me. I don’t think they sell the 520i in the US, at least I can’t find them. Here’s a 540i for $62k and I guarantee I could negotiate it to less than $60 with a 6.5% tax.[1] M5s here are over 100k. 550i are about 90k. No chance of a 550d touring coming stateside, I can’t compare prices. Diesel wagon with 4 turbos wow!! [1]https://www.bmwofgwinnettplace.com/detail-2019-bmw-5_series-540i-new-18503711.html https://www.bmwofgwinnettplace.com/detail-2019-bmw-5_series-...
- whycombagator 8y ago
  Just for your reference, it appears the 520i is not offered in the US. The base model would be the 530i. It doesn't seem like a 530d or a 550d are offered in the US...but for some kind of comparison: with little effort I was able to find a 2019 540i xDrive with the M sport package for $53k on cargurus. Factor in taxes and its $57k. Factor in that I haven't even bothered to check autotrader or shop around emailing/calling dealers as I would do if I was interested in purchasing one. Yes you can't get that deal everywhere and it might not be typical. But it's there For $60k you can certainly get a lot more BMW than a 520i in the US
  - rad_gruchalski 8y ago
    Thank you for these numbers. I just went to the German configurator to have a look at the exact prices. This is what I get: 540i base model with M package is €66250 base price after taxes, straight from the BMW dealer. But in Europe, we have VAT, depending on the country, 19 to 21%. Before the taxes, the price is: €55672. Considering the exchange rate of 1.12 USD to EUR, still significantly more expensive than in the US but far, far off of the €100k. Diesel is by default more expensive because of better economy.

by wil421 8y ago

lazyjones 8y ago

> Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. No, they sell different models in Germany. The cheapest model available in Germany currently is the LR AWD, which costs $48K in the US.

wil421 8y ago
I was only going by what price the OP commented. They announced the 35k price in the US but only recently started production I believe the base model is 6 months away for Europe.

gpjanik 8y ago

That's true, but the numbers still don't add up without VAT and other taxes. Without VAT and including the incentive (2k euro) it's around 43k euro which is 48k USD.

vinay427 8y ago
Yes, so it's virtually the same price as the equivalent model in the US. As others mentioned, the other problem is that the base model now available in the US is still months away for European markets. That being said, it doesn't seem very appropriate to complain that a car advertised as $35k USD in the US isn't available for the same price in Germany.

Tijdreiziger 8y ago

Goods are never advertised without taxes in Germany, so if it's 53k after taxes, that makes it a 53k car.

rad_gruchalski 8y ago

> I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. I don’t believe you. The only stock 5 series over €100k is the M5 Limousine (€119k). All other models are well below €100k, unless they come with options / BMW Individual. 550d Touring xDrive is €82k base price (with taxes). I’m looking at a 2019 530d M package with full option and that thing would cost me €82k, after discounts comes as low as €60k (trade in). What you say with $60k is probably something like 520i base option before taxes (knowing US). So, I don’t believe that story.

wil421 8y ago
No idea how much cars cost in Germany let alone Europe only what the Germans told me. I don’t think they sell the 520i in the US, at least I can’t find them. Here’s a 540i for $62k and I guarantee I could negotiate it to less than $60 with a 6.5% tax.[1] M5s here are over 100k. 550i are about 90k. No chance of a 550d touring coming stateside, I can’t compare prices. Diesel wagon with 4 turbos wow!! [1]https://www.bmwofgwinnettplace.com/detail-2019-bmw-5_series-540i-new-18503711.html https://www.bmwofgwinnettplace.com/detail-2019-bmw-5_series-...
whycombagator 8y ago
Just for your reference, it appears the 520i is not offered in the US. The base model would be the 530i. It doesn't seem like a 530d or a 550d are offered in the US...but for some kind of comparison: with little effort I was able to find a 2019 540i xDrive with the M sport package for $53k on cargurus. Factor in taxes and its $57k. Factor in that I haven't even bothered to check autotrader or shop around emailing/calling dealers as I would do if I was interested in purchasing one. Yes you can't get that deal everywhere and it might not be typical. But it's there For $60k you can certainly get a lot more BMW than a 520i in the US
- rad_gruchalski 8y ago
  Thank you for these numbers. I just went to the German configurator to have a look at the exact prices. This is what I get: 540i base model with M package is €66250 base price after taxes, straight from the BMW dealer. But in Europe, we have VAT, depending on the country, 19 to 21%. Before the taxes, the price is: €55672. Considering the exchange rate of 1.12 USD to EUR, still significantly more expensive than in the US but far, far off of the €100k. Diesel is by default more expensive because of better economy.