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> It's just a globally-known tourism business vs. a globally-known shopping business. Actually it’s a globally-known shopping business named after the afore me

by hjk05 8y ago

> It's just a globally-known tourism business vs. a globally-known shopping business. Actually it’s a globally-known shopping business named after the afore mentioned globally known tourism business. Which I think is an important point. If call your software company Barcelona, then you sort of need to accept that you aren’t on an equal footing when it comes to name ownership with the place you named your company after no matter how big you get.

ryanlol 8y ago
And the globally known tourism business is named after a globally known tribe of female warriors in Greek mythology.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  They can have priority when they show up, then.
  - praneshp 8y ago
    I didn't realize Greece the country stopped existing.
    - freehunter 8y ago
      That highly depends on what you mean by "Greece the country". When the Greek mythologies about the Amazons were written, there was no "Greece the country". Greece didn't become a country until thousands of years later. Hell it didn't even stop being part of the Roman Empire until the 1400s. We could have a long debate about whether the modern country of Greece has any relationship to the ancient Greek city-states, but I think that's entirely beside the point.
      - praneshp 8y ago
        Of course it is beside the point. I was being pedantic to the pedantic "they can have priority when they show up", where I presumed "they" was the goddesses.
        PhasmaFelis 8y ago
        You've misunderstood me. I was poking fun at Ryanlol's comment. Here's some actual pedantry: the Amazons weren't goddesses. They were a tribe of human warriors.
        wahern 8y ago
        If Wonder Woman is just human how was she born with superhuman powers? Those things are mutually exclusive. > All Themyscirian Amazons possess various degrees of superhuman strength, speed, stamina and extraordinarily acute senses and the ability to glide on aircurrents. ... Themyscirian Amazons also possess immortality that allows them to live indefinitely in a youthful form.... Themyscirian Amazons also possess the ability to relieve their bodies of physical injury and toxins by becoming one with the Earth's soil and then reforming their bodies whole again.
      - weberc2 8y ago
        When was "The Amazon" a country? We're talking at best about "an identity"--I say "at best" because the Greeks have consistently had a Greek identity regardless of their political configuration at any point in history, while I'm not sure "The Amazon Nations" is an identity at all, much less a deeply-held or particularly old identity.
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      None of the polities in the area now called “Greece” from the time in question still exist, and the one called “Greece” in English was formed much later.
    - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
      The mythical Amazons never existed, and even in myth they didn't live in Greece. I bought a bag of King Arthur-brand flour the other day. Should Great Britain be allowed to take over their domain name?
andrewla 8y ago
Actually, it's a globally known tourism business named after a globally known location and race in Greek mythology so really, Greece should get it.
- 8ytecoder 8y ago
  Brands are always in a flux. Amazon the river and the forests and the people have a stronger brand now than the mythical Gods. But Amazon the company has not overtaken all the above.
  - kbenson 8y ago
    > But Amazon the company has not overtaken all the above. That might be true, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. I think it's entirely possible that depending on how you measure it, Amazon the company has overtaken all the above. Edit: And to be slightly less waffling, I think it's entirely possible it's overtaken them in some of the most obvious ways to measure, such as (global) public consciousness and word association.
    - jfk13 8y ago
      I wonder how things will look in 50 years? Amazon (the company) may look unstoppable at the moment, but huge companies do come and go; in a generation or two, perhaps they'll still be dominating the scene, or perhaps they'll be a forgotten also-ran. I'm pretty sure the Amazon (river/basin) will still be there, and will still be one of the earth's great geographical features; I hope even the Amazon rainforest will still be noteworthy on a world scale.
      - kbenson 8y ago
        In 50 years, the Amazon river/basin could have been geographically swallowed by a new political entity and renamed. Sure, that's much less likely than Amazon the company being defunct (I hope, that seems more likely to be harbinger of world disrupting changes), but I think it's also more likely than Greek mythological scholors deciding to change millennia old characters and concepts. I'm sure we can choose a specific metric to make the Amazon geographic area win, just as we can for any of the others in this comparison, but picking the metric to match the outcome we want doesn't seem the right way to go either. I can definitely see cases for all of them, and I don't know the right metric by which to judge. That does make this an interesting case IMO, as the likelihood of the losers to be upset is high (except maybe Greek mythology, since I don't think they have a strong lobby on their side).
MagicPropmaker 8y ago
But Barcelona refers to a specific city; a legal entity. They want the English word Amazon to refer to a group of regions, which are not one entity, who border the Amazon river (Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Brazil). And they call that river either Amazonas or Amazona. Furthermore, regions like this that have an official tld get a two letter tld like .eu for European Union. If they wanted to start an Amazonian Union and get a tld for it, they should! (maybe ".aa")
- hopler 8y ago
  A legal entity is just a group that certain other people recognize. The OP is about the creation of such a legal entity.
mc32 8y ago
Wouldn’t it be more comparable to Muenchen wanting “.munich” instead of “.munchen”, or Roma/Rome, etc?
- weberc2 8y ago
  Your comparison is more apt than the GP's, but I don't think political municipalities are apt analogs (or at least they don't capture all of the nuance at play here). What we have is heterogeneous people groups (not a single identity) who live in a particular non-political geographic region wanting another culture's name for that region. I guess it would be as though the people of the Alps decided that they should own the .alpine TLD, but that doesn't completely capture the multilingual concern you were discussing...
  - mc32 8y ago
    Things can get hairy for example places like the Sea of Japan vs East Sea. or rather 日本海 vs (조선)동해.
    - Kaiyou 8y ago
      The German name for the Baltic Sea already literally translates to East Sea, so that name would only cause confusion internationally.
- ben0x539 8y ago
  I'd want .munich just to avoid confusion around .muenchen vs .münchen...
  - mc32 8y ago
    Maybe .bavaria vs .bayern would have been a better illustration.
mherdeg 8y ago
Should the people who use an .IO domain name anticipate any input about how they do business from former residents of the Chagos Archipelago, or alternatively the British military?
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure that national governments do have some level of control over national TLDs. Some of them don't allow privately-owned sites under their TLDs at all.
  - mr_toad 8y ago
    The British Indian Oceans territory was never a country, and never had any citizens. There was no indigenous people. None of the former or current residents (hired workers) ever owned any of the land.
oh_sigh 8y ago
> named after the afore mentioned globally known tourism business. No, it was named after the Amazon river, not anything to do with tourism around the Amazon river.
mirimir 8y ago
Bezos didn't need to name his company "Amazon".
jachee 8y ago
See also: Bethesda.

by hjk05 8y ago

ryanlol 8y ago

And the globally known tourism business is named after a globally known tribe of female warriors in Greek mythology.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
They can have priority when they show up, then.
- praneshp 8y ago
  I didn't realize Greece the country stopped existing.
  - freehunter 8y ago
    That highly depends on what you mean by "Greece the country". When the Greek mythologies about the Amazons were written, there was no "Greece the country". Greece didn't become a country until thousands of years later. Hell it didn't even stop being part of the Roman Empire until the 1400s. We could have a long debate about whether the modern country of Greece has any relationship to the ancient Greek city-states, but I think that's entirely beside the point.
    - praneshp 8y ago
      Of course it is beside the point. I was being pedantic to the pedantic "they can have priority when they show up", where I presumed "they" was the goddesses.
      - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
        You've misunderstood me. I was poking fun at Ryanlol's comment. Here's some actual pedantry: the Amazons weren't goddesses. They were a tribe of human warriors.
        wahern 8y ago
        If Wonder Woman is just human how was she born with superhuman powers? Those things are mutually exclusive. > All Themyscirian Amazons possess various degrees of superhuman strength, speed, stamina and extraordinarily acute senses and the ability to glide on aircurrents. ... Themyscirian Amazons also possess immortality that allows them to live indefinitely in a youthful form.... Themyscirian Amazons also possess the ability to relieve their bodies of physical injury and toxins by becoming one with the Earth's soil and then reforming their bodies whole again.
    - weberc2 8y ago
      When was "The Amazon" a country? We're talking at best about "an identity"--I say "at best" because the Greeks have consistently had a Greek identity regardless of their political configuration at any point in history, while I'm not sure "The Amazon Nations" is an identity at all, much less a deeply-held or particularly old identity.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    None of the polities in the area now called “Greece” from the time in question still exist, and the one called “Greece” in English was formed much later.
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    The mythical Amazons never existed, and even in myth they didn't live in Greece. I bought a bag of King Arthur-brand flour the other day. Should Great Britain be allowed to take over their domain name?

andrewla 8y ago

Actually, it's a globally known tourism business named after a globally known location and race in Greek mythology so really, Greece should get it.

8ytecoder 8y ago
Brands are always in a flux. Amazon the river and the forests and the people have a stronger brand now than the mythical Gods. But Amazon the company has not overtaken all the above.
- kbenson 8y ago
  > But Amazon the company has not overtaken all the above. That might be true, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. I think it's entirely possible that depending on how you measure it, Amazon the company has overtaken all the above. Edit: And to be slightly less waffling, I think it's entirely possible it's overtaken them in some of the most obvious ways to measure, such as (global) public consciousness and word association.
  - jfk13 8y ago
    I wonder how things will look in 50 years? Amazon (the company) may look unstoppable at the moment, but huge companies do come and go; in a generation or two, perhaps they'll still be dominating the scene, or perhaps they'll be a forgotten also-ran. I'm pretty sure the Amazon (river/basin) will still be there, and will still be one of the earth's great geographical features; I hope even the Amazon rainforest will still be noteworthy on a world scale.
    - kbenson 8y ago
      In 50 years, the Amazon river/basin could have been geographically swallowed by a new political entity and renamed. Sure, that's much less likely than Amazon the company being defunct (I hope, that seems more likely to be harbinger of world disrupting changes), but I think it's also more likely than Greek mythological scholors deciding to change millennia old characters and concepts. I'm sure we can choose a specific metric to make the Amazon geographic area win, just as we can for any of the others in this comparison, but picking the metric to match the outcome we want doesn't seem the right way to go either. I can definitely see cases for all of them, and I don't know the right metric by which to judge. That does make this an interesting case IMO, as the likelihood of the losers to be upset is high (except maybe Greek mythology, since I don't think they have a strong lobby on their side).

MagicPropmaker 8y ago

But Barcelona refers to a specific city; a legal entity. They want the English word Amazon to refer to a group of regions, which are not one entity, who border the Amazon river (Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Brazil). And they call that river either Amazonas or Amazona. Furthermore, regions like this that have an official tld get a two letter tld like .eu for European Union. If they wanted to start an Amazonian Union and get a tld for it, they should! (maybe ".aa")

hopler 8y ago
A legal entity is just a group that certain other people recognize. The OP is about the creation of such a legal entity.

mc32 8y ago

Wouldn’t it be more comparable to Muenchen wanting “.munich” instead of “.munchen”, or Roma/Rome, etc?

weberc2 8y ago
Your comparison is more apt than the GP's, but I don't think political municipalities are apt analogs (or at least they don't capture all of the nuance at play here). What we have is heterogeneous people groups (not a single identity) who live in a particular non-political geographic region wanting another culture's name for that region. I guess it would be as though the people of the Alps decided that they should own the .alpine TLD, but that doesn't completely capture the multilingual concern you were discussing...
- mc32 8y ago
  Things can get hairy for example places like the Sea of Japan vs East Sea. or rather 日本海 vs (조선)동해.
  - Kaiyou 8y ago
    The German name for the Baltic Sea already literally translates to East Sea, so that name would only cause confusion internationally.
ben0x539 8y ago
I'd want .munich just to avoid confusion around .muenchen vs .münchen...
- mc32 8y ago
  Maybe .bavaria vs .bayern would have been a better illustration.

mherdeg 8y ago

Should the people who use an .IO domain name anticipate any input about how they do business from former residents of the Chagos Archipelago, or alternatively the British military?

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
I'm pretty sure that national governments do have some level of control over national TLDs. Some of them don't allow privately-owned sites under their TLDs at all.
- mr_toad 8y ago
  The British Indian Oceans territory was never a country, and never had any citizens. There was no indigenous people. None of the former or current residents (hired workers) ever owned any of the land.

oh_sigh 8y ago

> named after the afore mentioned globally known tourism business. No, it was named after the Amazon river, not anything to do with tourism around the Amazon river.

mirimir 8y ago

Bezos didn't need to name his company "Amazon".

jachee 8y ago