7 ms·
Funnily enough, you could argue the same about the Mercedes E class. For the price of a Mercedes, you could get a Tesla. :-)
by sweden 8y ago
Funnily enough, you could argue the same about the Mercedes E class. For the price of a Mercedes, you could get a Tesla. :-)
- kayoone 8y agoBut Merc E is multiple classes above the Tesla in terms of space, interior quality and luxury/comfort.
- gibolt 8y agoNot performance. And your Merc E won't get better with time.
- g-erson 8y agoWhy would a Tesla?
- eclipxe 8y agoRegular software updates that add significant new features. Dashcam, dog mode, sentry mode, summon, etc.
- deleted 8y ago[deleted]
- gibolt 8y agoBetter range, doubled charging speeds, improved braking distance... It is a real case of downloading more RAM.
- Domenic_S 8y agoI was on vacation and got a notification that there was a firmware update for my Model 3 which was parked in my garage a thousand miles away. I remotely installed it and my car literally got 5% quicker. Pretty crazy!
- madengr 8y agoNo, it’s like buying an 1 GHz oscilloscope and buying the license to enable the 2 GHz version. The hardware has always been there. The test equipment industry is notorious for this. I can buy a $15k Keysight Fieldfox spectrum analyzer and turn it into a $50k instrument with license that enable hardware that is already there.
- auiya 8y agoCool, so it gets better the same way your 15 year old laptop gets better?
- jsight 8y agoYes... great isn't it! Not sure why cars haven't done this before.
- tracer4201 8y agoHow long does the battery in a Tesla last? What’s the cost to replace it?
- gibolt 8y agoBattery degredation seems to bottom out between 85-90% capacity on most cars after a lot of miles. Likely will never need a replacement. If I recall correctly, most of the lowest performers are older S and X. The 3 is expected to degrade even slower with their improved battery cells and thermal management. https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-data/ https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-dat...
- prostoalex 8y agoSo far all we have is anecdotal evidence https://www.teslarati.com/tesloop-tesla-model-s-400k-miles-battery-maintenance-cost/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesloop-tesla-model-s-400k-miles-b... Is it better or worse as far as total costs compared to a Mercedes-Benz with 645,000 km on it?
- fucking_tragedy 8y agoA Mercedes E class won't get totaled if you get into a fender bender.
- kevin_thibedeau 8y agoBut how much will be broken or worn out after three years of service? Germans don't engineer for reliability.
- fucking_tragedy 8y agoI mean, if we're going to debase the level of argument down to national origin, since when does American manufacturing have a reputation for quality and reliability?
- yason 8y agoChoosing Tesla is easy if all you care about is 0-100 km/h performance. However, not everyone do that.
- stcredzero 8y agoBetter to get in with the youth market, then go upmarket with them as they age.
- zwily 8y agoIt’s not just 0-100. Driving an EV is just more fun. (IMO of course).
- filoleg 8y agoAgreed. Model 3 is the only car that ever gave me a feeling similar to riding a supersport motorcycle in terms of acceleration. P.S. Model 3 happens to be the only EV I tried, but as much as I know about EVs, most of them share a similar kind of "fun" acceleration.
- georgerobinson 8y agoMore fun compared to what? A 911 GT3? Challenger Hellcat? Toyota Corolla?
- leetcrew 8y agoaccelerating really fast in a straight line is probably the most pointless aspect of "performance" for a car that gets driven on public roads. modern hot hatches that cost $25k are already too powerful to fully appreciate without getting your license taken away. a 230i or m240i is going to be much more fun to drive 10-15 mph over the speed limit than any Tesla. get one with a manual transmission while you still can.
- whatshisface 8y agoYou accelerate really fast in a straight line every time you pull out from a stop sign or red light. In fact if you are adhering to speed limits, accelerating really fast is the only way to save travel time.
- rad_gruchalski 8y agoOr arrive faster at the next red light.
- r00fus 8y agoI used to think this until I got an EV. The ability to a) accelerate quickly and b) stop more quickly makes them almost like motorcycles. You catch lights easier, merge effortlessly and slowdowns are zen. I gain about a couple of min trip time to drop off my kids which is about 10m and 6-7 signal lights away. Also on highways I utilize the HOV lane which for me trims about 5m off my longish commute. And it’s all comfortable and silent.
- leetcrew 8y agoI mean technically you are correct, but usually when people talk about performance, they are considering the recreational qualities of the car. most people don't buy fast cars to shave fractions of a second off accelerating to 35mph.
- mhh__ 8y agoIgnoring the existence of traffic, sure.
- auiya 8y ago> And your Merc E won't get better with time. Have you priced a classic Mercedes E-class lately? Allow me to help. https://www.classicdriver.com/en/cars/mercedes-benz/ponton-1953-1962?sort=random&make=189&model=2989&search_type=advanced&page=1 https://www.classicdriver.com/en/cars/mercedes-benz/ponton-1...
- vinay427 8y agoWhat exactly is your point here? The E-class didn't get better. Its worth increased, and there is no guarantee that would continue for today's new models seeing as their depreciation (as with most luxury brand models) is pathetic.
- oblio 8y ago> The E-class didn't get better. Its worth increased [...] This statement doesn't compute for me.
- icebraining 8y agoThe actual car is the same. Tesla cars get upgrades and new features after purchase.
- oblio 8y agoOk, but if the E Class worth went up, you can't really say that's a bad deal...
- icebraining 8y agoThey're classic cars from the 1950s kept shining and running. Not only did keeping them that way probably cost quite a bit, as I'd bet an E Class sold today won't have the same appeal sixty years from now as these do today.
- mhh__ 8y agoThey could also brick it remotely, or introduce a bug in the autopilot and plow you into a barrier: You might not want the upgrades
- charlesdm 8y agoI'm not a car person, however, the interior of a Tesla feels horribly cheap in comparison to a quality made german car. Totally get where he's coming from. My Audi, which costs about a third of a Tesla model S, has a nicer interior than a Model S. That makes no sense to me.
- kec 8y agoThe base model 3 is only 0.5s faster to 60 than the base E class, and that gap doesn't widen by all that much as you go up both product lines.
- mhh__ 8y agoIf you want performance, buy a sports car not a Tesla. Straight line acceleration has almost nothing to do with lap time compared to the suspension and brakes. You can buy a formula car with downforce for about £15k, admittedly more if you want to take it to tracks and run it healthily. Also, if you look for "performance" in your road car it just sounds like a recipe for wrapping it around a tree (Or ruining your back: I'm a huge motorsports fanatic, and I'd still probably take a comfortable car with reasonable performance over a "fast" one without fancy suspension to make it comfortable)
- zerr 8y agoDo you mean particularly model 3?
- r00fus 8y agoIt still stinks like any other petroleum car. Once you go EV it’s hard to go back.