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The day org-mode will reach the masses is when the tutorials about it do not even mention the word emacs. Until then, it will inevitably be seen as a thing use

The day org-mode will reach the masses is when the tutorials about it do not even mention the word emacs. Until then, it will inevitably be seen as a thing useful only for emacs users.

sdwisely 8y ago
I don't know that is bad. Without Emacs, org-mode is just weird markdown. The way it can quickly link between different types of unrelated content just doesn't make sense outside Emacs.
- afiori 8y ago
  > just doesn't make sense outside Emacs That is the entire point. If I can only use it inside emacs then I will only use it inside emacs.
- enriquto 8y ago
  > Without Emacs, org-mode is just weird markdown. So, are you saying that the title of the article is bogus? Or that emacs is the only reasonable editor?
  - zeveb 8y ago
    > Or that emacs is the only reasonable editor? Given the options, I think that a decent argument can be made that emacs is the best editor, and that it's unreasonable to use anything that the best — so yeah, one might argue that emacs is the only reasonable editor. I don't know if I'd go quite that far, but I wouldn't instinctively disagree.
    - wowtip 8y ago
      My take is Emacs is the best integrated text processing environment available. But I am not sure it would beat VI/VIM as an text editor. I don't think most Emacs users could match a good VIM user in text editing speed, but then Emacs can do many other tasks that are hard to replicate in VIM, while being a more than good enough editor. It is not so much which editor is better, rather what are the user's expectations. To me this is obvious and has been probably been said a 1000 times before, but sometimes when reading threads about text editors, you would not think so.
  - sdwisely 8y ago
    Neither, Emacs takes an everything and the kitchen sink approach and org-mode embraces that.
mickael-kerjean 8y ago
There's an ecosystem around org-mode that's developing. I made a client: https://demo.filestash.app/view/docs/tasks-projects.org?share=hnorg https://demo.filestash.app/view/docs/tasks-projects.org?shar... the project is also open source https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash
- xfer 8y ago
  This is excellent. Thank you for working on this.
- tenkabuto 8y ago
  Way cool! The ecosystem is indeed developing: I have been working on a Python way to import/export Orgmode files to/from an SQLite database that you can view and query in a native GUI (using Toga[0]). I was writing an Org-mode importing package for Python (to gain access to my Orgzly files and learn Python) until I found Orgnode[1]. I have the GUI table working, but I need to connect Orgnode to it and build an exporting system. You can follow this project at [2]. [0]: https://toga.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://toga.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ [1]: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles57/GTD/orgnode.html http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles57/GTD/orgnode.html [2]: https://gitlab.com/bthall/orcbench https://gitlab.com/bthall/orcbench
- anthonybullard 8y ago
  Thank you! This is looking really nice, I'll be taking a look at the source this afternoon.
- non-nil 8y ago
  There is indeed, and it's making me very hopeful for the future of org-mode. Beyond Filestash (great work!) there's the somewhat similar org-web [0], Beorg for iOS [1] and Orgzly for Android [2], all of which them leveraging the power of org-mode without requiring anyone hitting M-x or C-c even once. What Markdown has going for it is a much wider acceptance as a simple, straightforward way to work with text. Especially on modern devices, users with little or no coding background are successfully being lured into (superior!) plaintext workflows by apps with a great UI, and appear to take to it. iA Writer [A] and Bear [B] are two prominent examples of such apps, and I can't see why they would be any worse (or less popular) apps had they instead opted for org-mode behind the scenes. This is what org-mode needs to gain widespread adoption, and I'm hoping we're on our way there. [0] https://github.com/DanielDe/org-web https://github.com/DanielDe/org-web [1] https://beorgapp.com/ https://beorgapp.com/ [2] http://www.orgzly.com/ http://www.orgzly.com/ [A] https://ia.net/writer https://ia.net/writer [B] https://bear.app/ https://bear.app/
nukeop 8y ago
The day jazz will reach the masses is when the reviews about it do not even mention the word "black". It's created by emacs users, for emacs users, it should absolutely mention that word everywhere and stress its origins, it's already widely adopted and who really cares if somebody who is so superficial that he rejects a superior solution because it originated in a text editor he doesn't like doesn't use it?
- enriquto 8y ago
  > The day jazz will reach the masses is when the reviews about it do not even mention the word "black". Indeed, and most of them don't nowadays! > It's created by emacs users, for emacs users, it should absolutely mention that word everywhere and stress its origins Of course, when you are explaining the history of org-mode you can mention it. Or when you are explaining how to org-mode with emacs. But to promote org-mode as a generic markup language (which I think is a very good idea), any mention of emacs, even indirect, should be best omitted. > who really cares if somebody who is so superficial that he rejects a superior solution because it originated in a text editor he doesn't like doesn't use it? I love emacs and I like to use it, no idea who are you taking about. Or was it sarcasm?

The day org-mode will reach the masses is when the tutorials about it do not even mention the word emacs. Until then, it will inevitably be seen as a thing useful only for emacs users.

sdwisely 8y ago

I don't know that is bad. Without Emacs, org-mode is just weird markdown. The way it can quickly link between different types of unrelated content just doesn't make sense outside Emacs.

afiori 8y ago
> just doesn't make sense outside Emacs That is the entire point. If I can only use it inside emacs then I will only use it inside emacs.
enriquto 8y ago
> Without Emacs, org-mode is just weird markdown. So, are you saying that the title of the article is bogus? Or that emacs is the only reasonable editor?
- zeveb 8y ago
  > Or that emacs is the only reasonable editor? Given the options, I think that a decent argument can be made that emacs is the best editor, and that it's unreasonable to use anything that the best — so yeah, one might argue that emacs is the only reasonable editor. I don't know if I'd go quite that far, but I wouldn't instinctively disagree.
  - wowtip 8y ago
    My take is Emacs is the best integrated text processing environment available. But I am not sure it would beat VI/VIM as an text editor. I don't think most Emacs users could match a good VIM user in text editing speed, but then Emacs can do many other tasks that are hard to replicate in VIM, while being a more than good enough editor. It is not so much which editor is better, rather what are the user's expectations. To me this is obvious and has been probably been said a 1000 times before, but sometimes when reading threads about text editors, you would not think so.
- sdwisely 8y ago
  Neither, Emacs takes an everything and the kitchen sink approach and org-mode embraces that.

mickael-kerjean 8y ago

There's an ecosystem around org-mode that's developing. I made a client: https://demo.filestash.app/view/docs/tasks-projects.org?share=hnorg https://demo.filestash.app/view/docs/tasks-projects.org?shar... the project is also open source https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash

xfer 8y ago
This is excellent. Thank you for working on this.
tenkabuto 8y ago
Way cool! The ecosystem is indeed developing: I have been working on a Python way to import/export Orgmode files to/from an SQLite database that you can view and query in a native GUI (using Toga[0]). I was writing an Org-mode importing package for Python (to gain access to my Orgzly files and learn Python) until I found Orgnode[1]. I have the GUI table working, but I need to connect Orgnode to it and build an exporting system. You can follow this project at [2]. [0]: https://toga.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://toga.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ [1]: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles57/GTD/orgnode.html http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles57/GTD/orgnode.html [2]: https://gitlab.com/bthall/orcbench https://gitlab.com/bthall/orcbench
anthonybullard 8y ago
Thank you! This is looking really nice, I'll be taking a look at the source this afternoon.
non-nil 8y ago
There is indeed, and it's making me very hopeful for the future of org-mode. Beyond Filestash (great work!) there's the somewhat similar org-web [0], Beorg for iOS [1] and Orgzly for Android [2], all of which them leveraging the power of org-mode without requiring anyone hitting M-x or C-c even once. What Markdown has going for it is a much wider acceptance as a simple, straightforward way to work with text. Especially on modern devices, users with little or no coding background are successfully being lured into (superior!) plaintext workflows by apps with a great UI, and appear to take to it. iA Writer [A] and Bear [B] are two prominent examples of such apps, and I can't see why they would be any worse (or less popular) apps had they instead opted for org-mode behind the scenes. This is what org-mode needs to gain widespread adoption, and I'm hoping we're on our way there. [0] https://github.com/DanielDe/org-web https://github.com/DanielDe/org-web [1] https://beorgapp.com/ https://beorgapp.com/ [2] http://www.orgzly.com/ http://www.orgzly.com/ [A] https://ia.net/writer https://ia.net/writer [B] https://bear.app/ https://bear.app/

nukeop 8y ago

The day jazz will reach the masses is when the reviews about it do not even mention the word "black". It's created by emacs users, for emacs users, it should absolutely mention that word everywhere and stress its origins, it's already widely adopted and who really cares if somebody who is so superficial that he rejects a superior solution because it originated in a text editor he doesn't like doesn't use it?

enriquto 8y ago
> The day jazz will reach the masses is when the reviews about it do not even mention the word "black". Indeed, and most of them don't nowadays! > It's created by emacs users, for emacs users, it should absolutely mention that word everywhere and stress its origins Of course, when you are explaining the history of org-mode you can mention it. Or when you are explaining how to org-mode with emacs. But to promote org-mode as a generic markup language (which I think is a very good idea), any mention of emacs, even indirect, should be best omitted. > who really cares if somebody who is so superficial that he rejects a superior solution because it originated in a text editor he doesn't like doesn't use it? I love emacs and I like to use it, no idea who are you taking about. Or was it sarcasm?