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Good question, IANAL but how is a human artist drawing a face (based on their learned reality of what a face looks like) any different than a GAN drawing a face

by genai 7y ago

Good question, IANAL but how is a human artist drawing a face (based on their learned reality of what a face looks like) any different than a GAN drawing a face (based on the GAN learned reality)?

dragonwriter 7y ago
> IANAL but how is a human artist drawing a face (based on their learned reality of what a face looks like) any different than a GAN drawing a face (based on the GAN learned reality)? A human artist is a legal person, a GAN is not. That's a fairly substantial legal difference.
- genai 7y ago
  But the output result is the same (i.e. human can produce a drawing of a face, GAN can produce a new drawing of a face). If another animal such as chimp draws a human face what do you think would be the outcome? Would a chimp drawing a face be any different to a human drawing a face?
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > But the output result is the same Law is only extremely rarely concerned with only output results and not process, status of actors, etc. > Would a chimp drawing a face be any different to a human drawing a face? Yes, legally, the outcome wouldd be different (whether it was original, a direct copy, or something made by copying elements but with some new content) because chimps are neither legal actors that can create a copyright through authorship nor ones who can violate copyright.
    - genai 7y ago
      Interesting, also what do you mean by "status of actors"?
  - mikehollinger 7y ago
    There’s a really interesting adjacent problem - the so-called “monkey selfie” which was recently settled by stating that works created by a non human we’re not copyrightable. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disp...
- eismcc 7y ago
  Reminds me of Bicentennial Man: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0182789/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0182789/
- moocowtruck 7y ago
  but the person who executed the GAN is a human, they are an artist who's tools are just different

by genai 7y ago

Good question, IANAL but how is a human artist drawing a face (based on their learned reality of what a face looks like) any different than a GAN drawing a face (based on the GAN learned reality)?

dragonwriter 7y ago

> IANAL but how is a human artist drawing a face (based on their learned reality of what a face looks like) any different than a GAN drawing a face (based on the GAN learned reality)? A human artist is a legal person, a GAN is not. That's a fairly substantial legal difference.

genai 7y ago
But the output result is the same (i.e. human can produce a drawing of a face, GAN can produce a new drawing of a face). If another animal such as chimp draws a human face what do you think would be the outcome? Would a chimp drawing a face be any different to a human drawing a face?
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > But the output result is the same Law is only extremely rarely concerned with only output results and not process, status of actors, etc. > Would a chimp drawing a face be any different to a human drawing a face? Yes, legally, the outcome wouldd be different (whether it was original, a direct copy, or something made by copying elements but with some new content) because chimps are neither legal actors that can create a copyright through authorship nor ones who can violate copyright.
  - genai 7y ago
    Interesting, also what do you mean by "status of actors"?
- mikehollinger 7y ago
  There’s a really interesting adjacent problem - the so-called “monkey selfie” which was recently settled by stating that works created by a non human we’re not copyrightable. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disp...
eismcc 7y ago
Reminds me of Bicentennial Man: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0182789/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0182789/
moocowtruck 7y ago
but the person who executed the GAN is a human, they are an artist who's tools are just different