> The intellectually dishonest part is trying to shove as many extra costs onto the fiat currency side of the equation without counting them for cryptocurrency

> The intellectually dishonest part is trying to shove as many extra costs onto the fiat currency side of the equation without counting them for cryptocurrency let's meet in the middle then? i don't shove as much as possible but you shove enough for comparison to be honest. > Comparing the energy cost per transaction is a simple, pairwise comparison it's simple and wrong. energy-efficient transactions isn't bitcoin's goal. this has already been mentioned, i suggest you re-read the thread. > there is no reason to expect that things like banks, armies, and the entire financial ecosystem wouldn't also exist who's expecting that? i'm honestly amazed by amount of strawman-ing happening in this discussion. didn't expect that on HN.