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There is a notable difference between the images you link. Apparently [1] the drought/heat wave in Belgium started on July 13 2018 (and ended on 7 August), so

There is a notable difference between the images you link. Apparently [1] the drought/heat wave in Belgium started on July 13 2018 (and ended on 7 August), so the image-pair you link was near the beginning of the event. The data on the nifty pair-viewer you link to is sporadic, so it's tedious to find other matches. But another story centered on the same theme already found matches: https://www.businessinsider.com/satellite-images-shows-whole-nations-fried-by-this-summers-heatwave-2018-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/satellite-images-shows-whole... It shows a bunch of 2017/2018 image-pairs from places like Sweden, Denmark, and Germany with features from the drought. Surely we are not arguing that there was no drought during that year, or that it's somehow not visible from remote sensing data? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_European_heat_wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_European_heat_wave

lazyjones 8y ago
> Surely we are not arguing that there was no drought during that year, or that it's somehow not visible from remote sensing data? We're arguing that there is a difference between thorough scientific methods and carefully picking out selected data points to show a dramatic situation that isn't.
- mturmon 8y ago
  It's pretty clear that the 2018 heat event was indeed an exceptional event, especially in Northern Europe. This is not "a dramatic situation that isn't". Of course articles in the popular press are going to use different narrative techniques ("give them concrete examples!" is the usual advice to science writers) than scientific papers would. So if you want "thorough scientific methods", you'd have to look elsewhere. This is the closest I've found to an attribution study of to what extent climate change is responsible for this heatwave event: http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-07-27-heatwave-made-twice-likely-climate-change http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-07-27-heatwave-made-twice-like... A gloss on the larger significance of the report in the growing area of "attribution" is here: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05849-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05849-9
  - lazyjones 8y ago
    > an exceptional event, especially in Northern Europe. This is not "a dramatic situation that isn't". Exceptional, yes. Unprecedented, no. > So if you want "thorough scientific methods", you'd have to look elsewhere. I'd be happy if there was less cherry-picking and more linking to raw sources for verification. If this was about people of particular ethnicities committing crimes, people would cry foul and "racism" at such hand-picked examples.

lazyjones 8y ago

> Surely we are not arguing that there was no drought during that year, or that it's somehow not visible from remote sensing data? We're arguing that there is a difference between thorough scientific methods and carefully picking out selected data points to show a dramatic situation that isn't.

mturmon 8y ago
It's pretty clear that the 2018 heat event was indeed an exceptional event, especially in Northern Europe. This is not "a dramatic situation that isn't". Of course articles in the popular press are going to use different narrative techniques ("give them concrete examples!" is the usual advice to science writers) than scientific papers would. So if you want "thorough scientific methods", you'd have to look elsewhere. This is the closest I've found to an attribution study of to what extent climate change is responsible for this heatwave event: http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-07-27-heatwave-made-twice-likely-climate-change http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-07-27-heatwave-made-twice-like... A gloss on the larger significance of the report in the growing area of "attribution" is here: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05849-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05849-9
- lazyjones 8y ago
  > an exceptional event, especially in Northern Europe. This is not "a dramatic situation that isn't". Exceptional, yes. Unprecedented, no. > So if you want "thorough scientific methods", you'd have to look elsewhere. I'd be happy if there was less cherry-picking and more linking to raw sources for verification. If this was about people of particular ethnicities committing crimes, people would cry foul and "racism" at such hand-picked examples.