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- regnerba 7y agoAnyone seen any more details on Anthos Migrate? Google is launching the first beta of Anthos Migrate today. This service will auto-migrate VMs from on-premises or other clouds into containers in the Google Kubernetes Engine. The promise here is that this is essentially an automatic process and once the container is on Google’s platform Edit: They demoed it on stage a few minutes after I asked... should have just waited. >.<
- minimaxir 7y agoThe Google Next Keynote (where this was just announced) is emphasizing the multicloud/cloud agnostic/on-prem capabilities, which given the emphasis on cloud lock-in nowadays is not what I expected.
- deanCommie 7y agoIt's Google's competitive advantage, and is still ultimately about lock-in. Buy in to Kubernetes, buy in to Google Anthos, have the appearance of flexibility, but get used to GCP's tooling, quirks, documentation, etc, etc, and before long you're considering GC as the first option for all new development. It makes perfect sense from where they are in the market.
- jjeaff 7y agoCustomers liking your service is not lock in.
- sneak 7y ago...but customers being trained on “GCP's tooling, quirks, documentation” and not your competitors’ is. Also it extends beyond training, even cloud storage apis and tools are not drop-in compatible in clients and scripts.
- res0nat0r 7y agoI never understand the constant railing about "lock-in" here. My company currently runs on AWS and GCE, and maybe will be using a 3rd in the future. We can move between any provider as long as we update our tooling to work with cloud provider specifics. IE security group differences between AWS and GCE, etc. They aren't doing anything to block us from leaving, and anyone here thinking there is going to be some kind of 100% unified API between every cloud provider is out of touch with reality, if that is what their expectation of "no vendor lock-in" is.
- necubi 7y agoThe real lock-in comes from using proprietary, cloud-specific services like Kinesis, Dynamo, or Spanner.
- res0nat0r 7y agoSure, but there isn't a gun to your head. Use mysql or postgres on each provider if you're worried about that.
- jbigelow76 7y agoThe current trope I see going around is that lock in centers (almost) 100% around identity management and access control, if you control that, you control your customer’s destiny. You can move a key value store anywhere on a whim.
- pdelgallego 7y agoEven just using IAM to grant permissions is going across those services is going to lock you in.
- weego 7y agoYou're attempting to weaponise the notion that people are better at things they use vs things they don't use.
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- rapsey 7y agoYou make it sound like lock-in is some unique strategy. That is the goal of every tech company. Enterprise, social or direct to consumer.
- eitally 7y agoI think there's some nuance here that you may be discounting. There's a difference between "the appearance of flexibility" and actual flexibility. GCP's OSS friendliness and integration is legitimately a competitive advantage, but it also is being designed explicitly to avoid a need for lock-in. The cloud market is so enormous it's not necessary for Google to create explicit bias and technical stickiness in these core products. On the other hand, where you do get potential stickiness are in the differentiated managed service offerings Google Cloud offers. These range broadly, from industry solutions & APIs to AI/ML services, to more more core data products (Spanner, Dataproc, BigQuery). The second set of products/services don't really have any bearing on the OSS strategy and is unfair to position Google as being intentionally disingenuous in the marketing.
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- yRetsyM 7y ago> Anthos is a subscription-based service, with the list prices starting at $10,000/month per 100 vCPU block. Enterprise prices then to be up for negotiation, though, so many customers will likely pay less. > Google will offer a single managed service that will let you manage and deploy workloads across clouds [...] This is Google, after all, managing your applications for you on AWS and Azure from: https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/09/googles-anthos-hybrid-cloud-platform-is-coming-to-aws-and-azure/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/09/googles-anthos-hybrid-clou...
- k__ 7y agolol, guess their new CEO did use the "Oracle Playbook" as he promised...
- pm90 7y agoTheir new CEO is an unmitigated disaster. Either he will have to change his ways or he will be leaving very very soon.
- ec109685 7y agoI wonder why they make things so crazy expensive or aren’t upfront about enterprise / volume pricing.
- beckler 7y agoSometimes things are negotiable, and if you list a price, it could be a turnoff for a potential (usually large) customer. Like if you see that something costs $X, and you can only afford $Y, you might not even bother with it. But if you talk with them they might be able to work within your budget. But of course, when you do that, it's a clear sign you're targeting large clients/contracts, so your smaller customers won't want to bother with it.
- hammock 7y agoGCP is scaling up a huge outside sales org (expensive). That means any propsect that's not an enterprise is not worth going after. Easy to weed out the medium and small businesses if you are upfront about a minimum 10k/month commitment.
- reilly3000 7y agoI'm a little confused by their landing page, is this a product/packaging made for on-prem users only, or some general GKE config management that applies to all GKE customers?
- shiftpgdn 7y agoHow long until Google cancels this with 6 months notice?
- bluetidepro 7y agoForewarning... I think a lot of people on HN (myself included) are a bit tired of this joke now. While I get and understand the frustration/sentiment, I think it's a bit played out, and doesn't add to the discussion anymore.
- jedberg 7y agoIt's true that it's not a funny joke, but it does make a point. Any time Google announces something cool, the first thought most engineers have is, "Do I really want to invest in this given that it could go away with minimal warning?". It's a huge problem that Google will have to overcome. Say what you will about AWS, but they've only ever cancelled one product as far as I know (SimpleDB) and they gave people multiple years warning and a replacement product.
- minimaxir 7y agoThis case is a bit different because it's explicitly an enterprise product (w/ contracts) than a consumer product like Inbox and Reader.
- jedberg 7y agoSure, but that in some sense makes it worse. So now I get locked into a contract for years on a product that maybe they'll just stop working in 1/2 way through my contract. Sure, they'll have to keep it running for me until the end of the contract, but they may not keep it running well.
- v7p1Qbt1im 7y agoFree consumer products != GCP
- pinewurst 7y agoGoogle has decided to imitate AWS for ridiculously non-obvious service names.
- PanosJee 7y agoThey are total legit if you speak Greek. Now engineers get to know Greek words like MDs :D
- canada_dry 7y agoWait, isn't this what docker is theoretically capable of? (i.e. via docker-compose to manager docker containers)
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- autotune 7y agoNot even remotely as docker-compose is not Kubernetes, or anything resembling a container scheduler or Kubernetes Management Platform.
- jedisct1 7y agoWhen will it be discontinued?
- andrewrynhard 7y agoInteresting. Sounds a lot like my OSS project Talos: https://github.com/talos-systems/talos https://github.com/talos-systems/talos. Very similar goals too.
- aurailious 7y agoSo is Google deciding to use Greek names for all their cloud services now?
- DebtDeflation 7y agoResponse to IBM's strategy re: the Red Hat acquisition?
- pm90 7y agoNo. IBM is flailing around trying to innovate it’s way out of real financial constraints that affect their bottom lines. They’ve managed to stay relevant only through acquisitions; most smart engineers have a pretty negative view of them, for good reasons: it’s not an engineering first company, it’s a sales first company, and it won’t survive for very long when most people figure out their Watson AI is a hot pile of garbage.
- inscrutable 7y agoso this will run on AWS and Azure too.... what is it going to use to provision the cluster, kops?
- _jezell_ 7y agoI'm not sure what the logic here is compared to AWS Outposts and Azure Stack. AWS Outposts and Azure stack support a very large number of Azure services and Anthos just supports GKE and Istio? So there's no first class story for basic things like queues and blob storage? How many people really use Kubernetes without needing a persistent volume claim? I like the idea of something you can just install and run on your existing hardware, but that doesn't seem to be the goal of this either as they only support a single router and a single proprietary virtualization platform. That seems even worse than just giving you a box you can plug in like AWS and Azure. Bigger question is what is it going to take for Google to offer anything more than this? Google has very restrictive source code policies internally, so I'd guess they'd be extremely reluctant to let the binaries for things like BigTable which run all of Google and GCP leave their network. Do they rewrite all their services or let BigTable run outside of firewall and throw an atomic clock in the box?
- cavisne 7y agoThe same limitations apply to the other on prem services. Theres no way the real EBS control and data plane is running on prem, its just some compatible service. Outposts has a limited feature set if you arent using vsphere, and Azure uses Microsoft's existing private cloud/on prem stack. Enterprises are scared of one way bad decisions so if GC can convince them containerizing and moving their apps to kubernetes first is worth it over "lift and shift" this could go well. One of the few competitive advantages google has for enterprises is they can point to Amazon and Azure being forced to add managed Kubernetes services, because customers wanted that instead of a proprietary orchestrator.