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That's a commonly made point, but to be a little pedantic you are definitely twisting the definition of the word 'freedom'. Those are benefits to be sure, and t
by dnadler 8y ago
That's a commonly made point, but to be a little pedantic you are definitely twisting the definition of the word 'freedom'. Those are benefits to be sure, and they may certainly be better than the US's, but not really 'freedoms'.
- germinalphrase 8y agoWhy aren’t they “freedoms”? Increased financial security due to eliminating the possibility of medical bankruptcy increases an individuals’ options/choices in life, does it not?
- malvosenior 8y agoFreedom doesn't mean the same thing as "convenient for me". In fact freedom can often be difficult. Each item listed has an opposition position, most notably freedom to own a gun. Germany also has some of the most draconian anti-free speech laws of all first world nations, so I really don't think they're a good example to use as a pillar of freedom.
- germinalphrase 8y agoThe elimination of medical bankruptcy is a “convenience”?
- malvosenior 8y agoYes, obviously anytime you get something for free that's a convenience. Someone has to pay for that though and that person is not experiencing freedom. I don't know much about the German healthcare system but it's quite possible that you also don't have as many choices for healthcare as in the US due to increased governmental regulation. I'd also add that healthcare is one of the least free aspects of US culture especially post-ACA. We are now mandated to have insurance, even if we don't want it.
- anoncake 8y ago> I don't know much about the German healthcare system but it's quite possible that you also don't have as many choices for healthcare as in the US due to increased governmental regulation. You have strictly more choices. In the USA, chances are you cant afford healthcare and have none.
- malvosenior 8y agoWhat if you can afford healthcare? Not everyone is poor. I suspect there is a great choice to be had in the US.
- anoncake 8y agoWe shouldnt judge a healthcare system by how well it works for some lucky people.
- malvosenior 8y agoYou can keep moving the goal posts but the fact is there is a lot of choice in the US. Not everyone can afford all choices but that’s an entirely different conversation.
- anoncake 8y agoFor those who can afford it, sure. That neither much of an achievement nor very useful.
- otikik 8y agoI think no one has a problem with "elimination of medical bankruptcy for them". The problem seems to be that it also eliminates it for others. With "my money", which "the corrupt and inept government is going to misspend anyway". I know I am exaggerating and misrepresenting a lot of people with this characterization. To me the solution seems obvious: you don't need private companies to do the job of the government. You need a less corrupt government, capable of doing its job. With the middlemen you just move the corruption around.