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Only hiring people who send a thank you email is totally weird. "It shows resourcefulness, too, because the candidate often has to hunt down an email address th

by Radle 7y ago

Only hiring people who send a thank you email is totally weird. "It shows resourcefulness, too, because the candidate often has to hunt down an email address the interviewer never gave them." To be honest my time is pretty much to valuable for this kind of teenager games. I am busy solving real problems for real customers. I don't have the time to search for your Email address, I also don't need to do that, people usually hire me for point 1), I get shit done. "To be clear, a thank-you note does not ensure someone will be a successful hire. But using the thank-you email as a barrier to entry has proved beneficial, at least at my company." the author says. Blatantly ignorant towards all the genius they've lost in their broken process. "The handful of times we've moved forward with a candidate despite not receiving a thank you, we've been ghosted, or the offer we make is ultimately rejected." The author says, because changing the strategy for a handful of cases out of thousands is definitely really scientific and stuff. "As a hiring manager, you should always expect a thank-you email, and you should never make an offer to someone who neglected to send one." as the last quote just showing the pure entitlement the author suffers... That's exactly the kind of thing that makes me happy to be in Software, people who bring trouble usually don't get promoted into responsibility...

Cactus2018 7y ago
"The handful of times we've moved forward with a candidate despite not receiving a thank you, we've been ghosted, or the offer we make is ultimately rejected." Perhaps this is selecting for desperate job hunters who send thank you notes.
- renholder 7y ago
  >Perhaps this is selecting for desperate job hunters who send thank you notes. That's entirely plausible. I mean, you're probably <insert arbitrary percentage here> more likely to not turn an offer down, even if it's below the cost-of-living for the area in question, if you're willing to go to those lengths, yeah? Their solution to the problem of having offers turned down seems to be not to investigate why but to just hire the people most willing to take them... I mean, they found a loop-hole but to quote the Big Lebowski: "You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole."
  - Cactus2018 7y ago
    New theory... the original twitter's annual performance metric is based on number of successful new hires (turned down offers and candidate who realize they are a bad fit are negatives)
Daniel3 7y ago
Your kind makes me laugh. "I am busy solving real problems for real customers." Yep, I'm sure you hardly have time to brush your teeth with all those real problems popping out from everywhere just asking to be solved!
- Radle 7y ago
  Funny that you picked this example, because it's actually true, check with my dentist.
mcv 7y ago
> "at least at my company" > makes me happy to be in Software This might well be the one detail that makes the difference here. In software, and many other industries, this would be stupid and counterproductive, but in journalism, polite but invasive persistence might actually be a relevant character trait.
- Radle 7y ago
  If it was a strategy like "we are looking for really driven people when we hire journalists, this is why we usually track events that show a strong drive for example A:... B: The applicant sends a thank you note even when they don't have our email address, C:..." It would really be a different situation. But this is not about looking for a specific trait which is tied to a job. Unfortunately all that they achieve with this strategy is locking out people who are "not like us". It all boils down to different cultures different rules, in Germany sending a thank you note to a business contact over a non disclosed communication channel would be perceived as very unprofessional or creepy. It's the step right before adding your business contacts on facebook uninvited... So if your goal is to avoid hiring German people, the strategy is probably great. (Taking the German example here because we Germans are very sensitive with data and privacy. The rule could also be exchanged for any other different no hire rule, overall what you achieve with such rules, is simply locking out a group of people, but those are people who could help your business succeed.)

by Radle 7y ago

Cactus2018 7y ago

"The handful of times we've moved forward with a candidate despite not receiving a thank you, we've been ghosted, or the offer we make is ultimately rejected." Perhaps this is selecting for desperate job hunters who send thank you notes.

renholder 7y ago
>Perhaps this is selecting for desperate job hunters who send thank you notes. That's entirely plausible. I mean, you're probably <insert arbitrary percentage here> more likely to not turn an offer down, even if it's below the cost-of-living for the area in question, if you're willing to go to those lengths, yeah? Their solution to the problem of having offers turned down seems to be not to investigate why but to just hire the people most willing to take them... I mean, they found a loop-hole but to quote the Big Lebowski: "You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole."
- Cactus2018 7y ago
  New theory... the original twitter's annual performance metric is based on number of successful new hires (turned down offers and candidate who realize they are a bad fit are negatives)

Daniel3 7y ago

Your kind makes me laugh. "I am busy solving real problems for real customers." Yep, I'm sure you hardly have time to brush your teeth with all those real problems popping out from everywhere just asking to be solved!

Radle 7y ago
Funny that you picked this example, because it's actually true, check with my dentist.

mcv 7y ago

> "at least at my company" > makes me happy to be in Software This might well be the one detail that makes the difference here. In software, and many other industries, this would be stupid and counterproductive, but in journalism, polite but invasive persistence might actually be a relevant character trait.

Radle 7y ago
If it was a strategy like "we are looking for really driven people when we hire journalists, this is why we usually track events that show a strong drive for example A:... B: The applicant sends a thank you note even when they don't have our email address, C:..." It would really be a different situation. But this is not about looking for a specific trait which is tied to a job. Unfortunately all that they achieve with this strategy is locking out people who are "not like us". It all boils down to different cultures different rules, in Germany sending a thank you note to a business contact over a non disclosed communication channel would be perceived as very unprofessional or creepy. It's the step right before adding your business contacts on facebook uninvited... So if your goal is to avoid hiring German people, the strategy is probably great. (Taking the German example here because we Germans are very sensitive with data and privacy. The rule could also be exchanged for any other different no hire rule, overall what you achieve with such rules, is simply locking out a group of people, but those are people who could help your business succeed.)