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I have been hired for more than 10 years, and I have this simple rule
- rubinelli 8y agoWhat's the context I'm missing, here?
- acjohnson55 8y agoThe post that she quotes is the original one, and if you click through to it, you can see that it wasn't particularly well received.
- cowsandmilk 8y agoWhat I particularly don't like from the original piece is "It shows resourcefulness, too, because the candidate often has to hunt down an email address the interviewer never gave them." I write thank you e-mails to people who give me their business card during the interview. I'm sure as hell not hunting down your e-mail just to send you one. If you expect me to, you're not respecting my time as a candidate.
- AlexTWithBeard 8y agoThe twit is a response to Hey, I wrote something! … I’ve been hiring people for 10 years, and I still swear by a simple rule: If someone doesn’t send a thank you email, don’t hire them.
- arkades 8y agoApparently a follow-up to an identical article written years past, that was also not well-received.
- mcv 8y agoEven if they'd have to hunt down that email address themselves, according to the article she links to. A thank you email to someone you're already in an email conversation with is not at all unreasonable, but expecting people to hunt down your email address just to send you a thank you, is downright weird.
- Radle 8y agoOnly hiring people who send a thank you email is totally weird. "It shows resourcefulness, too, because the candidate often has to hunt down an email address the interviewer never gave them." To be honest my time is pretty much to valuable for this kind of teenager games. I am busy solving real problems for real customers. I don't have the time to search for your Email address, I also don't need to do that, people usually hire me for point 1), I get shit done. "To be clear, a thank-you note does not ensure someone will be a successful hire. But using the thank-you email as a barrier to entry has proved beneficial, at least at my company." the author says. Blatantly ignorant towards all the genius they've lost in their broken process. "The handful of times we've moved forward with a candidate despite not receiving a thank you, we've been ghosted, or the offer we make is ultimately rejected." The author says, because changing the strategy for a handful of cases out of thousands is definitely really scientific and stuff. "As a hiring manager, you should always expect a thank-you email, and you should never make an offer to someone who neglected to send one." as the last quote just showing the pure entitlement the author suffers... That's exactly the kind of thing that makes me happy to be in Software, people who bring trouble usually don't get promoted into responsibility...
- Cactus2018 8y ago"The handful of times we've moved forward with a candidate despite not receiving a thank you, we've been ghosted, or the offer we make is ultimately rejected." Perhaps this is selecting for desperate job hunters who send thank you notes.
- renholder 8y ago>Perhaps this is selecting for desperate job hunters who send thank you notes. That's entirely plausible. I mean, you're probably <insert arbitrary percentage here> more likely to not turn an offer down, even if it's below the cost-of-living for the area in question, if you're willing to go to those lengths, yeah? Their solution to the problem of having offers turned down seems to be not to investigate why but to just hire the people most willing to take them... I mean, they found a loop-hole but to quote the Big Lebowski: "You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole."
- whitakerch 8y agoEh, I see "Thank You" emails as annoying personally and think others feel the same way but apparently not haha.
- jawilson2 8y agoThe real context is that it is still nearly impossible to follow conversations on Twitter.
- jeanlucas 8y agoReally?
- baddox 8y agoI’m a frequent Twitter user, although I only use a third-party client but I’m not sure what’s difficult to follow here. The linked tweet is commenting on (parodying) the original tweet, the text of which is in the small box immediately below the text of the linked tweet. There’s no thread or “conversation” happening.
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- subjectsigma 8y agoThanking someone for their time is free and takes only a minute. If I don't really want the job I won't be bothered, and if I do I will try everything I can to make myself stand out throughout the interview process, including sending a short email. Recruiters are not stupid, they know this. TIL this behavior is: classist, archaic, possibly sexist, possibly racist, and definitely "problematic". Who knew?
- acjohnson55 8y agoIt seems like you're flipping it around. I don't see anything wrong with doing this as a candidate. What strikes me as biased is making it a secret handshake, from a hiring perspective, that rules out people who don't think to do it.
- subjectsigma 8y agoI disagree. If qualified candidates do something, hiring managers will naturally look for those things in all their candidate, so it's a two way street. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect your problem is actually with the automatic dismissal part - and I agree, there are probably many cases where it would be inappropriate (or at the very least, stupid) to not consider someone for not sending a follow up. We can argue specifics all day, but in general I don't think it's unreasonable for hiring managers to expect that kind of communication.
- acjohnson55 8y agoYes, the automatic dismissal part is both problematic and foolish. But beyond that, I am a hiring manager, and I really can't tell you which people I've hired have sent me thank you notes. I'm pretty sure it's a small minority. I have yet to hire someone who's a "bad egg" or just doesn't care about their coworkers. Beyond that, expecting people to adhere to a protocol they simply may not know is unfair. As I've said elsewhere, the original author should take the things she thinks a thank you note shows and just screen for them directly, rather than extrapolating from a norm that some people may have and others may not for reasons that have nothing to do with anything. If I thought an applicant knew they should send a thank you note but that they just dropped the ball, that would be a negative sign. But I see no reason to assume that.
- acjohnson55 8y agoI'm very much against hidden criteria used to filter people. It's a lazy, bias-driven way to convince yourself you're selecting the best people. The author of the original tweet (who this person is replying to) is trying to select for some sort of work characteristic she thinks correlates with success. It would be much better to identify that characteristic and focus part of the interview on trying to evaluate the candidate against it. I haven't been hiring people for more than 10 years, but I swear by the simple process of being transparent about what I'm looking for in a new hire. The hard part is the reflection on exactly what that is. I wrote about this several years ago: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/were-hiring-engineers-all-wrong_b_7973484 https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/were-hiring-engineers-a.... It's basically a re-presentation of interview training I've gotten.
- baddox 8y agoWhat evidence is there that the author of original hiring tweet thinks that sending thank you emails correlates with success? The person doesn’t claim that, and it would be such a preposterous belief that I would be shocked to hear them claim to hold it. My interpretation was merely that the author of the tweet likes people to behave according to some supposed social norm, and punishes people who don’t by refusing to hire them.
- acjohnson55 8y agoFrom the article: > How someone presents in interviews might not translate to effectiveness in the role. While sending a thank-you note doesn't necessarily guarantee the person will be a good hire, it gives you the tiniest bit more data: The candidate is eager, organized, and well mannered enough to send the note. It shows resourcefulness, too, because the candidate often has to hunt down an email address the interviewer never gave them. At Insider Inc., we look to hire "good eggs." The thank-you email is a mark for the good-egg column. Maybe I'm extrapolating and she doesn't view "good egg" as part of being successful employee, but I think that's what she's getting at. I believe she's trying to identify soft skills at collaboration. That's my most charitable interpretation. Either that, or she's trying to identify people who share her cultural norms, which is problematic in itself.
- marcv81 8y agoI've had stalkers before and it'd freak me out if I received a thank you note from someone I did not exchange contact details with.
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- corodra 8y agoInterviewers typically email you to schedule the interview or share their business card with you during the interview...
- bluntfang 8y agoI've interviewed ~5 times in the last year...did not receive any business cards or email addresses. The recruiter/HR person actually denied my request for their email address when I asked for it in order to send a note on more than one occasion.
- m0nty 8y agoI know organisations which would automatically disqualify candidates who send "thank you" or any other kind of emails. They would call it "canvassing", which is forbidden for job-seekers in these organisations.
- corodra 8y agoI mean... I was taught in high school to always send a thank you email to an interviewer after an interview. Not only for the courtesy, but also to stay in the interviewer’s head if they were undecided. Most people don’t send these, thus, you’ll be a bit unique and might tip things in your favor. An interviewer that uses it as a hiring requirement probably wants someone thoughtful and willing to do a little extra compared to others. Seems minor compared to multi hour programming tests.
- linuxftw 8y ago> I was taught in high school to always send a thank you email to an interviewer after an interview. Ah yes, the folk-knowledge from high school. Always offered by the academic class with no background in having real jobs. IMO, thank you letters seem desperate for anything other than an entry level job. Interviews should be testing you for fit (primarily technical) for the role. If you pass this criteria, they will be very excited for you to join with their team because there is high demand for skilled workers.
- JasonFruit 8y agoTIL teaching isn't a real job.
- pwinnski 8y agoFew people are so openly ignorant, but this is a very common belief.
- linuxftw 8y agoMany people don't view public sector (government) workers as legitimate professions, teachers included. They are part of the bureaucratic machine, and their experiences don't replicate what the rest of society encounters. Is a chemistry teacher that's never been employed in the private sector (aka, had a 'real job') as a chemist a good source of knowledge about obtaining a job as a chemist? Not really.
- Daniel3 8y agoactual link https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-write-thank-you-email-after-job-interview-2019-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-write-thank-you-email...
- didymospl 8y ago"It shows resourcefulness, too, because the candidate often has to hunt down an email address the interviewer never gave them." So basically the author expects the candidate to send a thank you email even though she didn't exchange her email address. Well, I think such email is natural when you make a personal contact with the interviewer, but in this scenario(when you receive emails from noreply@bigcorporate.com) it feels unnecessary and intrusive to me.
- Nasrudith 8y agoI wonder why HR people keep on doing this shit - they get deservedly heckled by everyone who is stuck with their crap. I'm not sure if it is a vapid bubble or they are just callous morons who don't get why people would get pissed off over being denied a job for arbitrary reasons and don't learn from experience.
- stunt 8y agoThere is no golden rule. You are interacting with humans, and every situation is different. A recruiter with good people skills doesn't use one golden rule to filter everyone with it.
- soniman 8y agoThe real solution here is, Don't go into an industry where supply vastly outnumbers demand and employers can delete half the resumes for no reason.
- gumby 8y agoI grew up in the age of handwritten thank you notes for everything and I still wouldn’t expect them for an interview. I’d also be dismayed if the company’s didn’t feel “thankful” to see me. Companies need good employees. VCs need companies to invest their customers’ money into. The implicit power relationship in these situations is unhealthy.
- seba_dos1 8y agoWait, you're expected to write a "thank you" mail after an interview? Is this some American culture thing?
- ixwt 8y agoI was told to do so by career services in the past while trying to get my first job. I got my first job without doing so though.
- purplezooey 8y agoWho is upvoting tweets here. Nobody cares about somebody's single sentence thought. Stop.