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Numerous countries in the 20th century (China, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, even USA) have at some point either locked their people away in concentration camps,

Numerous countries in the 20th century (China, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, even USA) have at some point either locked their people away in concentration camps, arrested them for dubious reasons, etc. Millions have been starved to death with no way to defend themselves or grow food. Such a world does not exist anymore of course just 70 years later, however the culture in my opinion persists-- local authorities continue to feel they have the right to force and intimidation for even the most pedestrian of investigations now, such as for comments made online, rather than for murder.

keiferski 8y ago
> Such a world does not exist anymore of course just 70 years later https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
- jialutu 8y ago
  Learnt from the best: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
  - keiferski 8y ago
    Sorry, but this is blatant whataboutism. Guantanamo Bay is a tragedy and deserves all the criticism it gets, but: - At its height, Guantanamo Bay had about 250 prisoners. It now has 41. - Camps in Xinjiang are estimated to hold "hundreds of thousands" of prisoners. They are not on the same scale whatsoever. If you wanted to make a comparison to American systems of imprisonment, the actual prison system itself is a far better (worse) example.
    - jialutu 8y ago
      For starters, did I condone any of them being justified? Me making a statement about Gauntanamo Bay does not automatically imply I am defending the re-education camps in China. So, here is a very basic lesson in maths: If a => b is true, it does not necessarily mean b => a is true. Besides, does America not also have one of the highest incarceration rates in the worlds? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_ra... I mean China has a lot of catching up with America (just order by per 100,000): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...

keiferski 8y ago

> Such a world does not exist anymore of course just 70 years later https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

jialutu 8y ago
Learnt from the best: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
- keiferski 8y ago
  Sorry, but this is blatant whataboutism. Guantanamo Bay is a tragedy and deserves all the criticism it gets, but: - At its height, Guantanamo Bay had about 250 prisoners. It now has 41. - Camps in Xinjiang are estimated to hold "hundreds of thousands" of prisoners. They are not on the same scale whatsoever. If you wanted to make a comparison to American systems of imprisonment, the actual prison system itself is a far better (worse) example.
  - jialutu 8y ago
    For starters, did I condone any of them being justified? Me making a statement about Gauntanamo Bay does not automatically imply I am defending the re-education camps in China. So, here is a very basic lesson in maths: If a => b is true, it does not necessarily mean b => a is true. Besides, does America not also have one of the highest incarceration rates in the worlds? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_ra... I mean China has a lot of catching up with America (just order by per 100,000): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...