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Funny and sad to see how, instead of seeing opportunities, the forum with the most open minded tech people will rather go with "SHUT IT DOWN"

by kaolti 8y ago

mercer 8y ago
Seeing opportunities doesn't mean plucking out and leaving your critical eye at the door.
- kaolti 8y ago
  Agree, point still stands though. There's pros and cons to everything. Why focus on the latter?
  - kadendogthing 8y ago
    Because the cons are really bad. And the pro's are nifty.
  - ThalesX 8y ago
    Do y'all just expect people to put their head in the sand, accept your currency of the future and accept their stupidity when compared to the crypto-Evangelists? I'm in a position where being able to make fast and cheap transactions between countries would benefit me, I don't even care for anonymous. Can I use crypto for that without a massive overhead? No, I can't. Should I stop focusing on the fact that I can't? If I understood your beef, you'd suggest I do just that. Ignore the fact that it's not delivering on the promise and just focus on the pros of the system. <rant> I'm sick and tired of this anti-con attitude. I've been encountering it a lot while talking to people about their ideas, especially from those that can't hold their idea together. As a product builder, I meet with a lot of people who pitch me their ideas and I decide if I help them build it or not. Now, I do spend a lot of times before actually building the product to understand what problem the customers solve and what solution they chose. That means asking a lot of questions and asking a lot of why. I've had a lot of clients become defensive and giving me the pros and cons to everything so why focus on the latter speech. This is before we even start building the product. Asking for input on how something works, and they become defensive that I'm a pessimist... I've had three outcomes from this: * first is a group of people that will not work with me anymore, will tell their friends not to work with me and none of which I've heard a lot about after we discussed; * second is a group of people that went with my analysis and most of them are still my customers and refer me to their network; * third is a group of people that pivoted based on my analysis and work with me with open ears and trust; these are the customers that give me the best return on investment and the best referrals. </rant> While I agree that when someone showcases an achievement, it's rather bad to focus on the cons; when analysing a technology, a cult and or something that combines both of these, especially when it gets shoved down your throat every once in a while, I think we can assume a default not-interested position. I think it's in the people presenting the benefits to focus on the benefits, and the people that they want to convince to hang on as tight as they can to what they feel this technology is not solving for them. Anyway, sorry about the unstructured rant, I just feel like this 'why focus on the latter?' attitude is damaging for products, for technologies and society in general. Don't focus on the good, or the bad, focus on whatever needs to be in focus to solve your current query...
    - kaolti 8y ago
      Haha nice! I totally agree! :) I think in the context of making business decisions you are absolutely right. All I'm saying is that the benefits of an idea that has the potential to disrupt banking are much greater IMO than the cost of ironing out faults (that are sometimes exaggerated as in this case). I'm not saying there aren't valid cons to it or that we should ignore them from a practical standpoint. We need to know what they are to fix them. I just noticed that people are quick to dismiss something because it's not perfect and that sort of mindset is counterproductive.
  - mikestew 8y ago
    Thalidomide [0] has been demonstrated to reduce morning sickness in pregnant women. Oh, and it also produces a high rate of birth defects. But let's not focus on the latter, shall we? I'm sure there are pros to cryptocurrency. One of the cons is that it contributes to climate change. We've all heard plenty of cryptocurrency drum-beating over the years, it's not like "focusing on the latter" is some crazy imbalance of criticism. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide
    - clarky07 8y ago
      Not all crypto is based on mining, so not all crypto contributes to climate change. Suggesting all crypto is bad because bitcoin uses energy is silly.
      - mikestew 8y ago
        What's silly is to swoop in all Captain Pedantic-like, cape flapping in the breeze, at the slightest mention of "cryptocurrency". Thanks for the correction, Cap', but the title at the top of the page says "Bitcoin" and the topic I'm replying to has to do with energy use. Now where did I put that Cryptonite...
asgionio1234 8y ago
Yeah, and I'm closed minded for refusing to try crystal healing. Open-mindedness is a virtue only if it helps you find the truth. Often it is more useful to judiciously discard ideas which have been debunked.
- jsutton 8y ago
  Which ideas in this thread have been debunked?

Funny and sad to see how, instead of seeing opportunities, the forum with the most open minded tech people will rather go with "SHUT IT DOWN"

by kaolti 8y ago

Funny and sad to see how, instead of seeing opportunities, the forum with the most open minded tech people will rather go with "SHUT IT DOWN"

mercer 8y ago

Seeing opportunities doesn't mean plucking out and leaving your critical eye at the door.

kaolti 8y ago
Agree, point still stands though. There's pros and cons to everything. Why focus on the latter?
- kadendogthing 8y ago
  Because the cons are really bad. And the pro's are nifty.
- ThalesX 8y ago
  Do y'all just expect people to put their head in the sand, accept your currency of the future and accept their stupidity when compared to the crypto-Evangelists? I'm in a position where being able to make fast and cheap transactions between countries would benefit me, I don't even care for anonymous. Can I use crypto for that without a massive overhead? No, I can't. Should I stop focusing on the fact that I can't? If I understood your beef, you'd suggest I do just that. Ignore the fact that it's not delivering on the promise and just focus on the pros of the system. <rant> I'm sick and tired of this anti-con attitude. I've been encountering it a lot while talking to people about their ideas, especially from those that can't hold their idea together. As a product builder, I meet with a lot of people who pitch me their ideas and I decide if I help them build it or not. Now, I do spend a lot of times before actually building the product to understand what problem the customers solve and what solution they chose. That means asking a lot of questions and asking a lot of why. I've had a lot of clients become defensive and giving me the pros and cons to everything so why focus on the latter speech. This is before we even start building the product. Asking for input on how something works, and they become defensive that I'm a pessimist... I've had three outcomes from this: * first is a group of people that will not work with me anymore, will tell their friends not to work with me and none of which I've heard a lot about after we discussed; * second is a group of people that went with my analysis and most of them are still my customers and refer me to their network; * third is a group of people that pivoted based on my analysis and work with me with open ears and trust; these are the customers that give me the best return on investment and the best referrals. </rant> While I agree that when someone showcases an achievement, it's rather bad to focus on the cons; when analysing a technology, a cult and or something that combines both of these, especially when it gets shoved down your throat every once in a while, I think we can assume a default not-interested position. I think it's in the people presenting the benefits to focus on the benefits, and the people that they want to convince to hang on as tight as they can to what they feel this technology is not solving for them. Anyway, sorry about the unstructured rant, I just feel like this 'why focus on the latter?' attitude is damaging for products, for technologies and society in general. Don't focus on the good, or the bad, focus on whatever needs to be in focus to solve your current query...
  - kaolti 8y ago
    Haha nice! I totally agree! :) I think in the context of making business decisions you are absolutely right. All I'm saying is that the benefits of an idea that has the potential to disrupt banking are much greater IMO than the cost of ironing out faults (that are sometimes exaggerated as in this case). I'm not saying there aren't valid cons to it or that we should ignore them from a practical standpoint. We need to know what they are to fix them. I just noticed that people are quick to dismiss something because it's not perfect and that sort of mindset is counterproductive.
- mikestew 8y ago
  Thalidomide [0] has been demonstrated to reduce morning sickness in pregnant women. Oh, and it also produces a high rate of birth defects. But let's not focus on the latter, shall we? I'm sure there are pros to cryptocurrency. One of the cons is that it contributes to climate change. We've all heard plenty of cryptocurrency drum-beating over the years, it's not like "focusing on the latter" is some crazy imbalance of criticism. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide
  - clarky07 8y ago
    Not all crypto is based on mining, so not all crypto contributes to climate change. Suggesting all crypto is bad because bitcoin uses energy is silly.
    - mikestew 8y ago
      What's silly is to swoop in all Captain Pedantic-like, cape flapping in the breeze, at the slightest mention of "cryptocurrency". Thanks for the correction, Cap', but the title at the top of the page says "Bitcoin" and the topic I'm replying to has to do with energy use. Now where did I put that Cryptonite...

asgionio1234 8y ago

Yeah, and I'm closed minded for refusing to try crystal healing. Open-mindedness is a virtue only if it helps you find the truth. Often it is more useful to judiciously discard ideas which have been debunked.

jsutton 8y ago
Which ideas in this thread have been debunked?