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Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge
- Guillaume86 8y agoWell time to lobby for MRU tab switching in their community forums, don't want another chromium situation with the next big browser.
- harel 8y agoI wonder if we'll get Edge for Linux then... Considering the shift MS products have gone (VS Code is great!) I would be happy to give it a try.
- larkeith 8y agoOut of curiosity, why use Edge over Firefox?
- fxbl0i 8y agoIt doesn't use Gecko.
- daliusd 8y agoWhile I use Firefox daily on Ubuntu there are still some pain points that affect me directly * Offscreen canvas. E.g. samples from here do not work for me https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/08/offscreen-canvas https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/08/offscreen-... * There are two problems with development: 1. Firefox does not catch some exceptions. This problem is fixed in 67 version so I can wait (but I still need to wait). 2. Firefox crashes for me randomly sometimes when I restart React dev server.
- z3t4 8y agoTo be fair offscreen canvas is just a few months old and still experimental. But everything that can speed up the canvas is welcome!
- daliusd 8y agoIt depends how you look at it. E.g. gfx.offscreencanvas.enabled landed in Firefox 4 years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709490 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709490
- alien1993 8y agoOffscreen canvas is disabled by default on Firefox because it's still experimental, you can enable it though. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/OffscreenCanvas#Browser_compatibility https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/OffscreenCa...
- daliusd 8y agoI know that. Still two problems: * Samples in the link I have given are still not working even if you enable gfx.offscreencanvas.enabled. Therefore I conclude that this is not working at all. * As well this is good option for development but Firefox 44 was released in 2016. I think it is safe to assume that Firefox will never release this or at least will not release in acceptable time frame. Most probably we will see messages like this soon "We see you use Firefox. This feature is supported on Chrome, Chromium or Edge browsers. We recommend using one of them if you need this.".
- sorenjan 8y agoFirefox 67 is in the current Developer channel, so you don't have to wait any longer if you don't want to.
- daliusd 8y agoThank you :)
- harel 8y agoI use Firefox as well, but my main browser is Chrome. I just prefer the rendering on it, and the overall seamless integration with Google products which I use a lot. It's not uncommon for me to spin up 3 different browsers though to test various things from 3 separates 'angles'. Granted I might not get the seamless Google integration but at least it would be an alternative option. I like options.
- rodgerd 8y agoI am not using a browser that's partnering with CloudFlare, given their huge support for extremist right-wing organisations and sites, and their history of supporting online criminals (https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/spreading-the-ddos-disease-and-selling-the-cure/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/spreading-the-ddos-disea...).
- Lammy 8y agoConversely, I’d never use a hosting provider I assumed would deplatform me in response to the slightest outrage or corporate coercion. That’s why I’ve been avoiding GoDaddy ever since 2007: https://www.infoworld.com/article/2661752/myspace--godaddy-shutter-popular-hacker-site.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2661752/myspace--godaddy-s...
- baud147258 8y agoCloudfare has removed support of at least one right-wing website. And CF support orgs from all across the board.
- Vinnl 8y agoI'd love to be able to run it on my CI server so I can run automated tests on it as well.
- hurrrrrrrr 8y agoApparently it's mostly a "when". https://twitter.com/kylealden/status/1115307632124780545 https://twitter.com/kylealden/status/1115307632124780545
- harel 8y ago"our build system runs on Linux" I wonder if that was a "thing" a few years ago, or Linux being used as a build step in windows development a new thing at Microsoft.
- stefan_ 8y agoDisabled "Ad blocking", turned on PlayReady DRM. Bring on the new webbrowsing experience.
- nitinreddy88 8y agoPlease read article properly - “disabled or replaced” services. Currently I am using Edge chromium with ublock origin installed. So they didn’t block anything related to ads
- fxfan 8y agoPlease don't spread fud. It says replaced or turned off. Their DRM makes Netflix 4k. Chrome already has DRM.
- aboutruby 8y agoChrome has a built-in ad blocker that blocks the ads Google finds too disruptive for the users: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-chromes-built-in-ad-blocker-to-roll-out-worldwide-on-july-9/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-chromes-built-in-ad-blo...
- fxfan 8y agoI'm betting none of those would be an 'Ad by google' in which case this is very unethical (I'm pro adblocking but google is targeting competitors)
- Chico11Kidlet 8y agoWow what are even some of those services?! "IOS Promotion Service"?! Realised where part of chrome's "memory hog" stereotype may come from...
- pgeorgi 8y agoSome of those services seem to be target specific: Everything starting with "Chrome OS" aren't part of any chrome build outside Chrome OS. IOS Promotion Service might be https://codereview.chromium.org/2643723004/ https://codereview.chromium.org/2643723004/, so that's running on iOS and nowhere else. As for its value, that's for somebody else to decide (or everybody for themselves). (Disclosure: working on Chrome OS firmware, which shares approximately no code at all with the components that end up in Chrome userland or any of its derivatives)
- giancarlostoro 8y agoSo when they say they removed these they mean source code wise not just some compiler flag? Thus making it a proper fork that will deviate over time, not some simple Chromium renamed project. So we may or may not see them pull in Chromium changesets depending on needs. My biggest hope is that no matter how much Microsoft changes (Chakra instead of V8 would be very interesting to see) that it will remain fully and properly open source moving forward. I wanted to see the original Edge go this route but at least now they can. Funny how these are now all browsers derived from work by Apple.
- vbezhenar 8y agoWebkit based on KHTML, component of KDE.
- giancarlostoro 8y agoThis is true as well, although my understanding is that they reworked all of that original code if I'm not mistaken, but nonetheless, a huge amount of credit belongs to both KDE and Apple regardless, which I find fascinating because: Google, Microsoft, and even Amazon (with their Chrome fork for their Fire tablets) benefited from it.
- skrebbel 8y agoI'm still sad they didn't partner with Firefox instead. It would suit the strategy of The New Microsoft very well to ensure competition in the browser market, and making an Firefox-based Edge plus a Firefox-based Electron clone would've been an amazing way to do that. They've shown competence in embracing, extending, and contributing back to OSS (eg they were instrumental in Nodejs getting to its amazing cross platform support). Plus their browser would be faster.
- realusername 8y agoI don't get it as well, what's the strategy behind that? They just reinforce Google's dominance so one of their main competitor just becomes stronger.
- nicoburns 8y agoThe license is probably a big reason. Firefox is GPL, so Microsoft wouldn't be able to add any proprietary components to it.
- l2dy 8y ago> Firefox source code is free software, with most of it being released under the Mozilla Public License (MPL) version 2.0. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox, it's released under MPL. But sure it's more restrictive than most code in Chromium.
- hsivonen 8y agoThe most restrictive license in both Firefox and Chromium is LGPL. In Firefox, the LGPL bits are carefully walled off in one .so/.dylib/.dll. In Chromium, the most core KHTML bits are LGPL. As for whether there's a lot of MPL or a lot of BSD code probably doesn't have much practical effect for compliance. In order to comply, it's easier to publish all the code than to try to do the minimum for each component on a per-license basis.
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- johnchristopher 8y agoWill they do a Chromium edge for mac ? Wait, did MS drop the internet explorer branding ?
- pjmlp 8y agoYes, it will be later released. The branding died with IE 11.
- ygra 8y agoIE11 is the last version of IE and came out in 2013. Internet Explorer as a product and brand has been dead for quite a while.
- svenfaw 8y agoDead is not quite correct. IE has been put on a permanent feature freeze, but MS has committed to keep releasing security updates for IE11 during Windows 10's entire lifetime. It is also the only browser shipping with the current Server editions. So I would argue that immortal would be a more accurate term.
- bshacklett 8y agoUndead, perhaps?
- supernes 8y agoI feel bad for Opera, seems they stand to lose the most in this battle of the Chromium forks. They have a really good product that I use as my main driver after being fed up with Safari on macOS, but Microsoft is well poised to deliver a compelling experience across platforms (fingers crossed for Linux support at some point.)
- giancarlostoro 8y agoThey were bought up by some Chinese firm though and thus a lot of people lost trust in them. Not sure if anybody has done extensive research into what type of telemetry they gather. I would recommend FireFox but I never gave up hope for FireFox so you could consider me a fanboy. However FireFox Quantum has changed a lot of people over to it.
- supernes 8y agoFirefox still has some UX deficiencies on macOS, I do use it on Windows though. What really turned me off is how long it took them to implement video autoplay blocking. I sent them about four dozen requests, reports and outright pleas, and they didn't even add it to the roadmap until after I had given up hope. They were about two to three years late on that one. Chromium's dev tools are still ahead by a mile as well, the Performance inspector has saved me days worth of debugging time.
- WorldMaker 8y agoA lot of the Opera die-hards I know of moved on to Vivaldi which is trying to be the Opera folks remember. (It is also Chromium based, though.)
- dooglius 8y agoHow many of these are enabled on Chromium (as opposed to Chrome) to begin with?
- nounaut 8y agoI particularly enjoy that they've kept the ability to mute single tabs by clicking on the speaker icon on the tab which google recently removed from Chrome and not having to go into the flags settings and switch the "mute site" right-click option to "mute tab". Feels like a snappier Chrome with better video playback.
- cris-ward 8y agoHope they haven't got rid of the killer feature - the offline dinosaur game.
- mikejb 8y agoI think this is a good step, but the cynic in me has to ask: How many services were removed, and how many replaced? It's good that things like Single Sign-on or Google Now aren't there (by default), but is it fair to assume they've just been replaced by Microsofts versions (i.e. whatever Live is called now and Cortana)?
- WorldMaker 8y agoCortana hasn't made it in yet in any form. Bing is the default search engine, though. The Single Sign-on was replaced with Microsoft Account (for home users) / Azure Active Directory Account (for enterprise users) single sign-on support.
- WalterGR 8y agoI guess one person’s cynic is another person’s realist. In what world would Microsoft not provide access to their own version of SSO (and therefore sync)?
- wayneftw 8y agoThere is a lot of Mozilla brigading on these articles, so I think it's important to point out that they're in a very small minority. The vast majority of developers have already voted with their feet on this and the results are in: People don't want Firefox. We want Chrome. Furthermore, practically nobody is wringing their hands over having a possible "mono-culture" and neither should they be. That's just another Mozilla party line. Every consulting firm I've worked for in the past decade has pretty much ignored Firefox and lived happily with that decision.
- wayneftw 8y agoInteresting observation Wayne. The lack of a rebuttal to the facts presented here, in addition to this comment holding the prestigious bottom slot seems to underline your assertion in a spooky way. I wonder how many people you need to over-represent a minority mind-share on other topics here...
- jdlyga 8y agoThe dev build is pretty good. I could see myself using the new Edge if it had Windows-specific features or support for things that typically only work on Edge/IE.
- PatrolX 8y agoThere's no dark mode in dev or canary.