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I personally dislike it, but I don't think it's monopolistic behavior. macOS's market share is comparatively pretty low and you can install windows or linux on

I personally dislike it, but I don't think it's monopolistic behavior. macOS's market share is comparatively pretty low and you can install windows or linux on your mac if you choose to.

writepub 8y ago
"Install another OS" is not an acceptable solution, it smacks of technophile arrogance. Try giving that advice to any senior owning a Mac, wondering why their favorite (unsigned) app doesn't launch after updating their Mac OS. Apple's entire marketing strategy revolves around customer empathy, but their actions don't
- scarface74 8y ago
  But you’re okay with giving that same “senior owning Mac” the responsibility of choosing which apps to trust? How has this worked out for the last 30+ years?
  - lostmyoldone 8y ago
    It has worked mostly fine for OS X during that period, not so much for Windows though. The blame for thelatter is squarely on Microsoft for having had terrible security defaults and a confusing UI.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      Isn’t that exactly what Apple is doing - good default security that won’t affect most users? What software is granny using that isn’t actively supported and not already coming from a trusted developer who isn’t already signing their software to avoid the work around for running unsigned software? But, no security defaults with either Mac, Linux, or Windows stops an app that has user level access from having access to all of the user’s documents - except for apps that are either in the App Store or voluntarily sandbox themselves.
- overgard 8y ago
  As I said, I dislike apples decision, but involving government agencies and suggesting a monopoly implies that there are no viable alternatives and that’s simply not true. You can just not buy macs anymore and refuse the update.
hesarenu 8y ago
It's billion devices and millions of users. Monopoly or not it affects large number of users
- overgard 8y ago
  Affects large number of people is not the same thing as those people having no viable alternatives. Utilities are often monopolies, and arguably Microsoft was in the 90s, but a company with like < 50% of desktop market share?
  - writepub 8y ago
    You've put significant effort in defining monoply classification or suggesting workarounds, instead of calling Apple out on unethical behavior. Maybe it's better for Apple's customers for Apple to show some empathy, and not unfairly lock down their hardware. Macs have been secure enough without this new lockdown, so any argument made for security seems like a cover for their true greed
    - overgard 8y ago
      Lol, a couple sentences about a well defined notion (monopoly) is not a “significant effort”
  - hesarenu 8y ago
    Viable alternative or not it still affects large number of users. Millions is not a small amount.

I personally dislike it, but I don't think it's monopolistic behavior. macOS's market share is comparatively pretty low and you can install windows or linux on your mac if you choose to.

writepub 8y ago

"Install another OS" is not an acceptable solution, it smacks of technophile arrogance. Try giving that advice to any senior owning a Mac, wondering why their favorite (unsigned) app doesn't launch after updating their Mac OS. Apple's entire marketing strategy revolves around customer empathy, but their actions don't

scarface74 8y ago
But you’re okay with giving that same “senior owning Mac” the responsibility of choosing which apps to trust? How has this worked out for the last 30+ years?
- lostmyoldone 8y ago
  It has worked mostly fine for OS X during that period, not so much for Windows though. The blame for thelatter is squarely on Microsoft for having had terrible security defaults and a confusing UI.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Isn’t that exactly what Apple is doing - good default security that won’t affect most users? What software is granny using that isn’t actively supported and not already coming from a trusted developer who isn’t already signing their software to avoid the work around for running unsigned software? But, no security defaults with either Mac, Linux, or Windows stops an app that has user level access from having access to all of the user’s documents - except for apps that are either in the App Store or voluntarily sandbox themselves.
overgard 8y ago
As I said, I dislike apples decision, but involving government agencies and suggesting a monopoly implies that there are no viable alternatives and that’s simply not true. You can just not buy macs anymore and refuse the update.

hesarenu 8y ago

It's billion devices and millions of users. Monopoly or not it affects large number of users

overgard 8y ago
Affects large number of people is not the same thing as those people having no viable alternatives. Utilities are often monopolies, and arguably Microsoft was in the 90s, but a company with like < 50% of desktop market share?
- writepub 8y ago
  You've put significant effort in defining monoply classification or suggesting workarounds, instead of calling Apple out on unethical behavior. Maybe it's better for Apple's customers for Apple to show some empathy, and not unfairly lock down their hardware. Macs have been secure enough without this new lockdown, so any argument made for security seems like a cover for their true greed
  - overgard 8y ago
    Lol, a couple sentences about a well defined notion (monopoly) is not a “significant effort”
- hesarenu 8y ago
  Viable alternative or not it still affects large number of users. Millions is not a small amount.