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Trusting in a private company that must react to market changes is different than trusting in a government that doesn't listen to you anyway.

the_gastropod 8y ago
What is the market, here? What good or service do you get from insurance? For their real value prop (covering the unlikely need for catastrophic healthcare), you 1. most likely won't ever use it. 2. have no idea how good their service is until you have no other option but to exercise your coverage. Market-based capitalism works best when consumers can shop around, and take their money elsewhere when the good or service is not a good value. This is absolutely not the case with health insurance. Meanwhile, medicare is pretty beloved in this country. And the public options in other industrialized nations outperforms US healthcare in most respects for significantly less money.
pjc50 8y ago
If it's employer-chosen, you're not the customer and they're not listening to you either.
- dsabanin 8y ago
  Why do you stop there? The chain goes on. Employer will have to listen to the employees or they will be on a lookout for better place to work. It's not uncommon at all for employers to tout benefits as a way to attract new hires.
  - acdha 8y ago
    That only works if you’re in high demand, and your health problems don’t preclude getting a new job. Very few workers can rely on that being true at any point in their lives, much less all the way until retirement.
  - koyote 8y ago
    That is only true for an employee's market.
grigjd3 8y ago
Your health insurance company listens to you? Mine just constantly tries to wriggle out of paying.
Someone1234 8y ago
I cannot pick my own health insurance company. My choices are: - Whatever my employer wants - Something on the exchange for quadruple the price (particularly without my employer's share of premiums) How does the market decide when it isn't a competitive market? Why are employers allowed to pick their employee's health insurance? Why are employed people at large companies paying less than employed people at startups?

the_gastropod 8y ago

What is the market, here? What good or service do you get from insurance? For their real value prop (covering the unlikely need for catastrophic healthcare), you 1. most likely won't ever use it. 2. have no idea how good their service is until you have no other option but to exercise your coverage. Market-based capitalism works best when consumers can shop around, and take their money elsewhere when the good or service is not a good value. This is absolutely not the case with health insurance. Meanwhile, medicare is pretty beloved in this country. And the public options in other industrialized nations outperforms US healthcare in most respects for significantly less money.

pjc50 8y ago

If it's employer-chosen, you're not the customer and they're not listening to you either.

dsabanin 8y ago
Why do you stop there? The chain goes on. Employer will have to listen to the employees or they will be on a lookout for better place to work. It's not uncommon at all for employers to tout benefits as a way to attract new hires.
- acdha 8y ago
  That only works if you’re in high demand, and your health problems don’t preclude getting a new job. Very few workers can rely on that being true at any point in their lives, much less all the way until retirement.
- koyote 8y ago
  That is only true for an employee's market.

grigjd3 8y ago

Your health insurance company listens to you? Mine just constantly tries to wriggle out of paying.

Someone1234 8y ago

I cannot pick my own health insurance company. My choices are: - Whatever my employer wants - Something on the exchange for quadruple the price (particularly without my employer's share of premiums) How does the market decide when it isn't a competitive market? Why are employers allowed to pick their employee's health insurance? Why are employed people at large companies paying less than employed people at startups?