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Are you suggesting your phone recorded you and your coworkers and then suggested ads based on that? Maybe I'm not paranoid enough, but I find that.. improbable

by mruts 8y ago

Are you suggesting your phone recorded you and your coworkers and then suggested ads based on that? Maybe I'm not paranoid enough, but I find that.. improbable? Not out of the question, I guess, but still pretty improbable. Maybe you could run some experiments and try and disprove the null hypothesis?

shhehebehdh 8y ago
If Google were that smart, it would be pretty impressive. But I doubt we are.
o10449366 8y ago
It's been extensively tested and debunked by many, many people and yet it's a myth that continues to perpetuate HN. The idea that these big companies or Big Brother are streaming your phone microphone data 24/7 is a lot more romantic than "the public wifi network I'm connected to is riddled with analytics."
- cc439 8y ago
  The idea that your phone's microphone isn't constantly parsing speech into text and then occasionally uploading certain keywords to whichever major advertising platform (FB, Google, Amazon, etc) has an active app on the phone doesn't seem so far fetched. We know Android and Apple phones are generally always listening for their keyword phrase (Siri, Hey Google, etc) for voice-based AI assistants and that their speech-to-text support is very robust. Uploading a text log is very data efficient and becomes even more efficient if it merely sends a positive for certain keywords it's told to listen for based on the individual's demographic profile and advertiser's interest in said demographics. I've had enough "coincidences" happen to believe this can be explained otherwise.
  - Buge 8y ago
    We know for a fact that some phones are secretly listening and uploading stuff.[1-4] It's done by spying apps. How do we know? Because there are tons of researchers reverse engineering stuff trying to find this stuff. These researchers are extremely hungry for a big find, for some big publicity. They're searching very hard to find a big player doing it, but none of the big players are doing it, so they only make small headlines with the small players they find. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/hundreds-of-apps-are-using-ultrasonic-sounds-to-track-your-ad-habits/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/hundreds-of-apps-are-using-ult... [2] http://christian.wressnegger.info/content/projects/sidechannels/2017-eurosp.pdf http://christian.wressnegger.info/content/projects/sidechann... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/business/media/alphonso-app-tracking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/business/media/alphonso-a... [4] https://web.archive.org/web/20190309034942/https://recon.meddle.mobi/papers/panoptispy18pets.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20190309034942/https://recon.med...
butterbot 8y ago
Some coworkers and I were talking about the Kentucky Derby over lunch the other day, a random topic that nobody in the group really was previously interested in. Nobody searched it or typed it into anything. Later that day my coworkers were seeing ads for the Kentucky Derby. Anecdotal, yes, but very creepy.
- mruts 8y ago
  Are you sure it’s not recency bias? Like when you learn a new word and hear it everywhere?

by mruts 8y ago

shhehebehdh 8y ago

If Google were that smart, it would be pretty impressive. But I doubt we are.

o10449366 8y ago

It's been extensively tested and debunked by many, many people and yet it's a myth that continues to perpetuate HN. The idea that these big companies or Big Brother are streaming your phone microphone data 24/7 is a lot more romantic than "the public wifi network I'm connected to is riddled with analytics."

cc439 8y ago
The idea that your phone's microphone isn't constantly parsing speech into text and then occasionally uploading certain keywords to whichever major advertising platform (FB, Google, Amazon, etc) has an active app on the phone doesn't seem so far fetched. We know Android and Apple phones are generally always listening for their keyword phrase (Siri, Hey Google, etc) for voice-based AI assistants and that their speech-to-text support is very robust. Uploading a text log is very data efficient and becomes even more efficient if it merely sends a positive for certain keywords it's told to listen for based on the individual's demographic profile and advertiser's interest in said demographics. I've had enough "coincidences" happen to believe this can be explained otherwise.
- Buge 8y ago
  We know for a fact that some phones are secretly listening and uploading stuff.[1-4] It's done by spying apps. How do we know? Because there are tons of researchers reverse engineering stuff trying to find this stuff. These researchers are extremely hungry for a big find, for some big publicity. They're searching very hard to find a big player doing it, but none of the big players are doing it, so they only make small headlines with the small players they find. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/hundreds-of-apps-are-using-ultrasonic-sounds-to-track-your-ad-habits/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/hundreds-of-apps-are-using-ult... [2] http://christian.wressnegger.info/content/projects/sidechannels/2017-eurosp.pdf http://christian.wressnegger.info/content/projects/sidechann... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/business/media/alphonso-app-tracking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/business/media/alphonso-a... [4] https://web.archive.org/web/20190309034942/https://recon.meddle.mobi/papers/panoptispy18pets.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20190309034942/https://recon.med...

butterbot 8y ago

Some coworkers and I were talking about the Kentucky Derby over lunch the other day, a random topic that nobody in the group really was previously interested in. Nobody searched it or typed it into anything. Later that day my coworkers were seeing ads for the Kentucky Derby. Anecdotal, yes, but very creepy.

mruts 8y ago
Are you sure it’s not recency bias? Like when you learn a new word and hear it everywhere?