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As an American, I agree with you. I remember the days before this was called "terrorism", it was called "muckraking". I worry that as a country we are so used

As an American, I agree with you. I remember the days before this was called "terrorism", it was called "muckraking". I worry that as a country we are so used to tagline/twitter/sound-byte news media that we forgot what actual news looks like. Your Woodward example is a good one. Shouldn't the interest and outrage be about the content, and not the source. Ugh. We need another Murrow.

krschultz 16y ago
What is the muck? What in the cables was surprising? This is what I got out of it: -The State Department gossips about heads of other states (so what?) -The State Department is party to spying on other countries and the UN (really? we didn't know that already? come on) -More countries agree with us on Iran and North Korea than I thought (shit, maybe our state department is doing a better job than I thought) This is not watergate. I wish we had half this much attention on other major scandals that have gone on in the last 20 years that were far more important than everything I've seen in here so far.
- paradoja 16y ago
  -The State Department is party to spying on other countries and the UN (really? we didn't know that already? come on) It's not the same to suspect than to have proof. And this is no little thing: it's another broken international agreement. -More countries agree with us on Iran and North Korea than I thought (shit, maybe our state department is doing a better job than I thought) Nope, not really. It has been a surprise (to most, maybe you know more of international politics than nearly everyone else)to know that arab countries wanted the US to go to war with Iran. Not a little thing, too. This is not watergate. I wish we had half this much attention on other major scandals that have gone on in the last 20 years that were far more important than everything I've seen in here so far. Let's see a bit... : - 'Sri Lankan president responsible for massacre of Tamils' http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-sri-lanka-mahinda-rajapaksa?CMP=twt_fd http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-sri-la... - Berlusconi 'profited from secret deals' with Putin http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/wikileaks-cables-berlusconi-putin http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/wikileaks-cables... - A bit of corruption in Russia http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-moscow-mayor-corruption http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-russia-mafia-kleptocracy http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cable-spain-russian-mafia http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cable-... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-alexander-litvinenko-murder http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables... - Secret deal let Americans sidestep cluster bomb ban http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-cluster-bombs-britain http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables... - US involvement in Spain's national politics and "independent" justice system (with lies of Spanish ministers and all of that stuff) http://www.elpais.com/articulo/english/How/US/worked/to/get/three/soldiers/off/the/hook/for/cameraman/elpepueng/20101201elpeng_14/Ten http://www.elpais.com/articulo/english/How/US/worked/to/get/... And many, many more. Yes, this is not watergate. I doubt watergate was received with people saying, "hey!, this is not big news."

krschultz 16y ago

What is the muck? What in the cables was surprising? This is what I got out of it: -The State Department gossips about heads of other states (so what?) -The State Department is party to spying on other countries and the UN (really? we didn't know that already? come on) -More countries agree with us on Iran and North Korea than I thought (shit, maybe our state department is doing a better job than I thought) This is not watergate. I wish we had half this much attention on other major scandals that have gone on in the last 20 years that were far more important than everything I've seen in here so far.

paradoja 16y ago
-The State Department is party to spying on other countries and the UN (really? we didn't know that already? come on) It's not the same to suspect than to have proof. And this is no little thing: it's another broken international agreement. -More countries agree with us on Iran and North Korea than I thought (shit, maybe our state department is doing a better job than I thought) Nope, not really. It has been a surprise (to most, maybe you know more of international politics than nearly everyone else)to know that arab countries wanted the US to go to war with Iran. Not a little thing, too. This is not watergate. I wish we had half this much attention on other major scandals that have gone on in the last 20 years that were far more important than everything I've seen in here so far. Let's see a bit... : - 'Sri Lankan president responsible for massacre of Tamils' http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-sri-lanka-mahinda-rajapaksa?CMP=twt_fd http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-sri-la... - Berlusconi 'profited from secret deals' with Putin http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/wikileaks-cables-berlusconi-putin http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/wikileaks-cables... - A bit of corruption in Russia http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-moscow-mayor-corruption http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-russia-mafia-kleptocracy http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cable-spain-russian-mafia http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cable-... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-alexander-litvinenko-murder http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables... - Secret deal let Americans sidestep cluster bomb ban http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-cluster-bombs-britain http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables... - US involvement in Spain's national politics and "independent" justice system (with lies of Spanish ministers and all of that stuff) http://www.elpais.com/articulo/english/How/US/worked/to/get/three/soldiers/off/the/hook/for/cameraman/elpepueng/20101201elpeng_14/Ten http://www.elpais.com/articulo/english/How/US/worked/to/get/... And many, many more. Yes, this is not watergate. I doubt watergate was received with people saying, "hey!, this is not big news."