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> kicking in doors of houses that are not on fire, etc. I don't follow your metaphor.

z2 8y ago
To hazard a guess, it should be up to to security/risk experts and the like to monitor and determine where the threats come from, set policies, and deny access accordingly. It shouldn't be up to citizen watchdogs to yank computers from people because they have a terminal up appear to be hacking things.
- mieseratte 8y ago
  > It shouldn't be up to citizen watchdogs to yank computers from people because they have a terminal up appear to be hacking things. Which is entirely reasonable, but I don't see anyone advocating this nor does the article so I'm a bit confused. Is someone advocating some kind of Chinese pogrom here?
neilv 8y ago
For example, treating a coworker poorly because of what country they're from, or what religion. Or worse, especially when unstable people get riled up by right-wing outlets.
- mieseratte 8y ago
  > For example, treating a coworker poorly because of what country they're from, or what religion. Or worse, especially when unstable people get riled up by right-wing outlets. Since you're the poster, where are you getting this from? I'm not reading that in either the replies nor the article... this feels like scaremongering in the opposite direction.
- okmokmz 8y ago
  You seem to be making a lot of baseless assumptions about this topic
  - neilv 8y ago
    For the more extreme effects, involving unstable peple, we see a lot of this in the news lately, most recently this weekend: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/06/politics/ilhan-omar-new-york-threat/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/06/politics/ilhan-omar-new-york-... For everyday workplace/community culture, we in the US have a long and ongoing history of biases and poor treatment (including in the workplace) of people belonging to identifiable groups that have been singled out as somehow threatening or lesser. Maybe the pattern repeats. Or maybe the pattern doesn't repeat this time, but many people in the group fear it will, and that's not good for workplace/community either.
- toss1 8y ago
  Of course being treated unfairly and as a group sucks, and is generally stupid. However, when a society maintains such a universal "your IP is up for grabs" approach to business from the smallest fabricator to the top levels of government, and the govt is noticed to have a top level program targeting a region's business, that's not prejudice, it is established fact. Moreover, getting the word out on such issues is exactly what you advocate; it is a part of the 'spy-vs-spy' people doing their job. The network of suppliers is extremely extensive, and expecting the CIA to squander time individually contacting every single sub-subcontractor, or even only the set of ITAR-registered producers is silly. I would go so far as to say that the threat against you even from overt discrimination is less than the threat from our society being undermined by an unopposed attack on its foundations.

z2 8y ago

To hazard a guess, it should be up to to security/risk experts and the like to monitor and determine where the threats come from, set policies, and deny access accordingly. It shouldn't be up to citizen watchdogs to yank computers from people because they have a terminal up appear to be hacking things.

mieseratte 8y ago
> It shouldn't be up to citizen watchdogs to yank computers from people because they have a terminal up appear to be hacking things. Which is entirely reasonable, but I don't see anyone advocating this nor does the article so I'm a bit confused. Is someone advocating some kind of Chinese pogrom here?

neilv 8y ago

For example, treating a coworker poorly because of what country they're from, or what religion. Or worse, especially when unstable people get riled up by right-wing outlets.

mieseratte 8y ago
> For example, treating a coworker poorly because of what country they're from, or what religion. Or worse, especially when unstable people get riled up by right-wing outlets. Since you're the poster, where are you getting this from? I'm not reading that in either the replies nor the article... this feels like scaremongering in the opposite direction.
okmokmz 8y ago
You seem to be making a lot of baseless assumptions about this topic
- neilv 8y ago
  For the more extreme effects, involving unstable peple, we see a lot of this in the news lately, most recently this weekend: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/06/politics/ilhan-omar-new-york-threat/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/06/politics/ilhan-omar-new-york-... For everyday workplace/community culture, we in the US have a long and ongoing history of biases and poor treatment (including in the workplace) of people belonging to identifiable groups that have been singled out as somehow threatening or lesser. Maybe the pattern repeats. Or maybe the pattern doesn't repeat this time, but many people in the group fear it will, and that's not good for workplace/community either.
toss1 8y ago
Of course being treated unfairly and as a group sucks, and is generally stupid. However, when a society maintains such a universal "your IP is up for grabs" approach to business from the smallest fabricator to the top levels of government, and the govt is noticed to have a top level program targeting a region's business, that's not prejudice, it is established fact. Moreover, getting the word out on such issues is exactly what you advocate; it is a part of the 'spy-vs-spy' people doing their job. The network of suppliers is extremely extensive, and expecting the CIA to squander time individually contacting every single sub-subcontractor, or even only the set of ITAR-registered producers is silly. I would go so far as to say that the threat against you even from overt discrimination is less than the threat from our society being undermined by an unopposed attack on its foundations.