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Yes, they absolutely do. How is this even a question? You don't cure a drug habit by giving the person more money cause they'll just buy more drugs. You don't c

by sisu2019 8y ago

Yes, they absolutely do. How is this even a question? You don't cure a drug habit by giving the person more money cause they'll just buy more drugs. You don't cure a reckless driver by given them a faster car. You don't cure a reckless spender by letting them spend more. It's not even a question you would contest if there was something on the line for you except defending your ideology > state care Of course child welfare services (Jugendamt) is on the case. They gave her a case worker that used to stop by to make sure it didn't get too bad. Of course she thought the job of that person was to Nany her son so she went through about three case workers in as many years. Btw, she picks fights with everyone. But the state of Germany is (rightfully) very reluctant to take kids away. Even with this amount of neglect it's hard to be sure that fostering the kid would produce better results plus we have double sordid history with this kind of thing. [1] [2] Doctors tell her in no uncertain terms what she needs to do but wouldn't you know it, she always reacts exasperated "how dare he say it's not normal that a child doesn't call for his mommy at 2 years old, I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT.". She feels like she is a perpetual victim of all these people who are really trying to help her. > I have no doubt that you are misinformed. I am perfectly informed as I get near daily updates on this case. I am going to be honest, knowing this person has absolutely shifted my view from a systemic one to a personal one. You can't make a welfare system that can fix this. It's literally better to have none at all because any welfare system is just paying people like her to become ever more useless and degenerate. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/22/germany-cold-war-forced-adoptions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/22/germany-cold-w...

lazyasciiart 8y ago
Fun fact: one of the single most effective interventions for homeless people who take drugs is to give them a place to live. It's an amazing example of how giving people resources helps them stop relying on unhealthy coping mechanisms. What you describe is quite literally a textbook cause for removing the child from the mother in German law - an immediate risk to their opportunity to develop cognitively or emotionally. You may well be describing an amazing case where some half dozen welfare professionals have all seen a case that clearly evaluates to 'this child needs to be removed' and all done nothing, but ... the odds are low. And the idea that you can't be misinformed because of the frequency of updates? Oh dear. I am sorry that hearing about this woman has impaired your ability to think about welfare as a system. Perhaps you should avoid the topic until you recover your ability to think beyond her.
- sisu2019 8y ago
  > single most effective interventions for homeless people who take drugs is to give them a place to live Have a fun citation for me on that? Is it effective in absolute terms or just "most effective"? > unhealthy coping mechanisms It's very telling that when you can't get past indivual behaviour anymore you still find a way to put it on the environment. I wonder why there is one group of people, let's call them "victims" where everything they do is readily excused and dismissed, like turning west coast cities into open air toilets. It's like they have no agency at all. It's almost as if the left habitually dehumanizes the subjects of their 'empathy' in the process of advocating their policies. > an immediate risk to their opportunity to develop cognitively or emotionally. No, children are not just taken away in Germany. Period. As long as the child is fed, clothed and free from overt signs of physical abuse it's a process and she is in it. The most charitable thing to say is that you are halucinating some deep knowledge about child wellfare practices in Germany in order to prop up your ideology which can't deal with the existance of this one women, let alone the fact that she is a representative of a large class of people on similar paths. > Perhaps you should avoid the topic until you recover your ability to think beyond her. I think you should avoid any topic as long as you mistake your ideology for actual knowledge of the real world and the real people in it.

lazyasciiart 8y ago

Fun fact: one of the single most effective interventions for homeless people who take drugs is to give them a place to live. It's an amazing example of how giving people resources helps them stop relying on unhealthy coping mechanisms. What you describe is quite literally a textbook cause for removing the child from the mother in German law - an immediate risk to their opportunity to develop cognitively or emotionally. You may well be describing an amazing case where some half dozen welfare professionals have all seen a case that clearly evaluates to 'this child needs to be removed' and all done nothing, but ... the odds are low. And the idea that you can't be misinformed because of the frequency of updates? Oh dear. I am sorry that hearing about this woman has impaired your ability to think about welfare as a system. Perhaps you should avoid the topic until you recover your ability to think beyond her.

sisu2019 8y ago
> single most effective interventions for homeless people who take drugs is to give them a place to live Have a fun citation for me on that? Is it effective in absolute terms or just "most effective"? > unhealthy coping mechanisms It's very telling that when you can't get past indivual behaviour anymore you still find a way to put it on the environment. I wonder why there is one group of people, let's call them "victims" where everything they do is readily excused and dismissed, like turning west coast cities into open air toilets. It's like they have no agency at all. It's almost as if the left habitually dehumanizes the subjects of their 'empathy' in the process of advocating their policies. > an immediate risk to their opportunity to develop cognitively or emotionally. No, children are not just taken away in Germany. Period. As long as the child is fed, clothed and free from overt signs of physical abuse it's a process and she is in it. The most charitable thing to say is that you are halucinating some deep knowledge about child wellfare practices in Germany in order to prop up your ideology which can't deal with the existance of this one women, let alone the fact that she is a representative of a large class of people on similar paths. > Perhaps you should avoid the topic until you recover your ability to think beyond her. I think you should avoid any topic as long as you mistake your ideology for actual knowledge of the real world and the real people in it.