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Do you also introduce yourself like: Hi! I'm Bob, not a murderer. Otherwise, how people will know that you haven't killed anyone?

by fluxem 8y ago

bryanrasmussen 8y ago
If there was a widespread problem with murderers in your social circle, and people kept finding out people whom they had assumed were not murderers, then I might introduce myself as Bob, not a murderer. Just wait til they find out I'm not Bob.
MisterTea 8y ago
> Hi! I'm Bob, not a murderer. That's just proper craigslist dating etiquette.
DonHopkins 8y ago
That also makes it sound like your name's not really Bob.
mikorym 8y ago
Hi prison mates, I'm Bob and I am in prison for stealing a loaf of bread. Do you want to rent out my copy of the Twilight series? Maybe that's slightly more accurate?
mherdeg 8y ago
No, I don't introduce myself that way - that would be crazy. There is a popular theory that the handshake originated as a way to show your hand wasn't holding a weapon. I think the evidence for this history is shaky at best, but it's been repeated because it's somehow a compelling idea -- what were people thinking many hundreds of years ago when crime was so common that you genuinely wondered about whether you could trust a casual acquaintance not to hurt you? What did they do to protect themselves? It doesn't seem unreasonable to wonder about how to present yourself as "safe" in the deeply untrustworthy home-sharing privacy landscape where casual home surveillance is ultra-common (and where neither landlord nor tenant knows how much they can trust the other). I'm not sure there is a good answer and it's not crazy to try to look for one.
- hutzlibu 8y ago
  That sounds very unlikely. If strangers don't trust each other they show their hands to each other. Till today. When you get close enough for a handshake the hand can allready hold a knive and is close enough to hurt. Handshake tells you more about a person after you trust them not to kill you (right now)
robrtsql 8y ago
Counterpoint: Are you suspicious of a VPN service that claims that it doesn't collect logs? Actually, maybe that's a bad question, because a large number of HN commenters _are_ suspicious of commercial VPNs, but would you say that a VPN that doesn't make such a claim is preferable to one that does?
- ken 8y ago
  IANAL, but isn't that different? Spying on people at home without their knowledge is illegal. Murder is illegal. Collecting and saving logs might defeat the purpose of the VPN service but it's not (AFAIK) illegal. By putting this in your contract, you make it binding, so yes, it has real value.
minikites 8y ago
>My "Not involved in human trafficking" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt. https://twitter.com/shutupmikeginn/status/403359911481839617 https://twitter.com/shutupmikeginn/status/403359911481839617
gnicholas 8y ago
When my now-wife and I first met (via OKC) in 2010, we did actually joke about how neither of us was an axe murderer.
- dylan604 8y ago
  So do you use a sling blade instead? Just because you’re not an axe murderer as you’ve stated doesn’t mean you not just a murderer using a different method.
  - gnicholas 8y ago
    I slay her with dad jokes on the regular.
    - jerf 8y ago
      Well, on the extremely limited evidence you've given, it sounds like you gave fair warning, after all.
dredmorbius 8y ago
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wang_li 8y ago
Announcing you have no cameras answers questions about privacy and about security. Announcing you're not a murderer only says you claim not to kill people unlawfully.
rdiddly 8y ago
I would if I were trying to sell something in a market where the murder of customers was a common (or even merely widely reported) phenomenon. Because the risk of making someone think about it who hasn't before, is lower, and the benefit of potentially reaching someone with that message who was already wondering about it, is higher.

Do you also introduce yourself like: Hi! I'm Bob, not a murderer. Otherwise, how people will know that you haven't killed anyone?

by fluxem 8y ago

Do you also introduce yourself like: Hi! I'm Bob, not a murderer. Otherwise, how people will know that you haven't killed anyone?

bryanrasmussen 8y ago

If there was a widespread problem with murderers in your social circle, and people kept finding out people whom they had assumed were not murderers, then I might introduce myself as Bob, not a murderer. Just wait til they find out I'm not Bob.

MisterTea 8y ago

> Hi! I'm Bob, not a murderer. That's just proper craigslist dating etiquette.

DonHopkins 8y ago

That also makes it sound like your name's not really Bob.

mikorym 8y ago

Hi prison mates, I'm Bob and I am in prison for stealing a loaf of bread. Do you want to rent out my copy of the Twilight series? Maybe that's slightly more accurate?

mherdeg 8y ago

No, I don't introduce myself that way - that would be crazy. There is a popular theory that the handshake originated as a way to show your hand wasn't holding a weapon. I think the evidence for this history is shaky at best, but it's been repeated because it's somehow a compelling idea -- what were people thinking many hundreds of years ago when crime was so common that you genuinely wondered about whether you could trust a casual acquaintance not to hurt you? What did they do to protect themselves? It doesn't seem unreasonable to wonder about how to present yourself as "safe" in the deeply untrustworthy home-sharing privacy landscape where casual home surveillance is ultra-common (and where neither landlord nor tenant knows how much they can trust the other). I'm not sure there is a good answer and it's not crazy to try to look for one.

hutzlibu 8y ago
That sounds very unlikely. If strangers don't trust each other they show their hands to each other. Till today. When you get close enough for a handshake the hand can allready hold a knive and is close enough to hurt. Handshake tells you more about a person after you trust them not to kill you (right now)

robrtsql 8y ago

Counterpoint: Are you suspicious of a VPN service that claims that it doesn't collect logs? Actually, maybe that's a bad question, because a large number of HN commenters _are_ suspicious of commercial VPNs, but would you say that a VPN that doesn't make such a claim is preferable to one that does?

ken 8y ago
IANAL, but isn't that different? Spying on people at home without their knowledge is illegal. Murder is illegal. Collecting and saving logs might defeat the purpose of the VPN service but it's not (AFAIK) illegal. By putting this in your contract, you make it binding, so yes, it has real value.

minikites 8y ago

>My "Not involved in human trafficking" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt. https://twitter.com/shutupmikeginn/status/403359911481839617 https://twitter.com/shutupmikeginn/status/403359911481839617

gnicholas 8y ago

When my now-wife and I first met (via OKC) in 2010, we did actually joke about how neither of us was an axe murderer.

dylan604 8y ago
So do you use a sling blade instead? Just because you’re not an axe murderer as you’ve stated doesn’t mean you not just a murderer using a different method.
- gnicholas 8y ago
  I slay her with dad jokes on the regular.
  - jerf 8y ago
    Well, on the extremely limited evidence you've given, it sounds like you gave fair warning, after all.

dredmorbius 8y ago

https://www.ul.com https://www.ul.com https://www.trustarc.com/privacy-certification-standards/ https://www.trustarc.com/privacy-certification-standards/ https://www.usda.gov/topics/organic https://www.usda.gov/topics/organic https://tilth.org/ https://tilth.org/ http://www.ok.org/companies/what-is-kosher/meat-dairy-pareve-setting-boundaries/ http://www.ok.org/companies/what-is-kosher/meat-dairy-pareve... https://www.globalnegotiator.com/international-trade/dictionary/halal-certificate/ https://www.globalnegotiator.com/international-trade/diction...

wang_li 8y ago

Announcing you have no cameras answers questions about privacy and about security. Announcing you're not a murderer only says you claim not to kill people unlawfully.

rdiddly 8y ago

I would if I were trying to sell something in a market where the murder of customers was a common (or even merely widely reported) phenomenon. Because the risk of making someone think about it who hasn't before, is lower, and the benefit of potentially reaching someone with that message who was already wondering about it, is higher.