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maybe 4 years aren't so relevant,maybe you should bring proof's of what you say

by ftr45 7y ago

pfdietz 7y ago
Solar costs have fallen very rapidly. Four years is forever for this subject. You should acquaint yourself with the basics of the situation.
- ftr45 7y ago
  >Solar costs have fallen very rapidly. proof? beacuse using solar and wind bring a rise in the cost of energy https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/02/05/if-saving-the-climate-requires-making-energy-so-expensive-why-is-french-electricity-so-cheap/?fbclid=IwAR1C4E1skK2_rcFoLJAKu-ZK3sS1Tvm66IY7palDGKUgJTn0TBpYkp3lAYA#7344a47d1bd9 https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/02/05...
  - pfdietz 7y ago
    Title of the piece: "If Saving The Climate Requires Making Energy So Expensive, Why Is French Electricity So Cheap?" Gee. They have a bunch of nuclear reactors whose cost has already been paid for. That cost is not reflected in current electric rates. When they try to build new ones, the cost is ridiculous, and they find building renewables sources would be cheaper. "Replacing nuclear with renewables would save France $44.5 billion" https://futurism.com/the-byte/nuclear-plants-renewable-energy-france https://futurism.com/the-byte/nuclear-plants-renewable-energ...
    - ftr45 7y ago
      > That cost is not reflected in current electric rates nope ''In fact, the carbon-intensity of French electricity has increased. After years of subsidies for solar and wind, France’s 2017 emissions of 68g/CO2 per kWh was higher than any year between 2012 and 2016. The reason? Record-breaking wind and solar production did not make up for falling nuclear energy output and higher natural gas consumption. And now, the high cost of renewable electricity is showing up in French household electricity bills. According to Eurostat, although French households pay 41% less than German households, electricity in France has, over the past decade, been increasing in price much faster than electricity in Germany.''
      - lispm 7y ago
        > According to Eurostat, although French households pay 41% less than German households Because they don't pay the real price. The whole show is government owned (EDF, Areva (or what they are called today)). and thus a lot of money is coming from the government - like financing for acquiring Areva parts. The government keeps nuclear power afloat with huge amounts of money. Example: http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Europe-checks-French-state-aid-for-Areva-restructu http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Europe-checks-Fre... EDF is 56bn€ in debt and can't pay for the maintenance/replacement of its aging reactors. The new Flamanville reactor is now at 11bn€ cost...

maybe 4 years aren't so relevant,maybe you should bring proof's of what you say

by ftr45 7y ago

maybe 4 years aren't so relevant,maybe you should bring proof's of what you say

Solar costs have fallen very rapidly. Four years is forever for this subject. You should acquaint yourself with the basics of the situation.

ftr45 7y ago
>Solar costs have fallen very rapidly. proof? beacuse using solar and wind bring a rise in the cost of energy https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/02/05/if-saving-the-climate-requires-making-energy-so-expensive-why-is-french-electricity-so-cheap/?fbclid=IwAR1C4E1skK2_rcFoLJAKu-ZK3sS1Tvm66IY7palDGKUgJTn0TBpYkp3lAYA#7344a47d1bd9 https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/02/05...
- pfdietz 7y ago
  Title of the piece: "If Saving The Climate Requires Making Energy So Expensive, Why Is French Electricity So Cheap?" Gee. They have a bunch of nuclear reactors whose cost has already been paid for. That cost is not reflected in current electric rates. When they try to build new ones, the cost is ridiculous, and they find building renewables sources would be cheaper. "Replacing nuclear with renewables would save France $44.5 billion" https://futurism.com/the-byte/nuclear-plants-renewable-energy-france https://futurism.com/the-byte/nuclear-plants-renewable-energ...
  - ftr45 7y ago
    > That cost is not reflected in current electric rates nope ''In fact, the carbon-intensity of French electricity has increased. After years of subsidies for solar and wind, France’s 2017 emissions of 68g/CO2 per kWh was higher than any year between 2012 and 2016. The reason? Record-breaking wind and solar production did not make up for falling nuclear energy output and higher natural gas consumption. And now, the high cost of renewable electricity is showing up in French household electricity bills. According to Eurostat, although French households pay 41% less than German households, electricity in France has, over the past decade, been increasing in price much faster than electricity in Germany.''
    - lispm 7y ago
      > According to Eurostat, although French households pay 41% less than German households Because they don't pay the real price. The whole show is government owned (EDF, Areva (or what they are called today)). and thus a lot of money is coming from the government - like financing for acquiring Areva parts. The government keeps nuclear power afloat with huge amounts of money. Example: http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Europe-checks-French-state-aid-for-Areva-restructu http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Europe-checks-Fre... EDF is 56bn€ in debt and can't pay for the maintenance/replacement of its aging reactors. The new Flamanville reactor is now at 11bn€ cost...