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and why the focus of Facebook? This could have happened to Twitch.tv or a self-hosted platform (and who do you go after then? Vultr? Amazon? DigitalOcean?) Liv

and why the focus of Facebook? This could have happened to Twitch.tv or a self-hosted platform (and who do you go after then? Vultr? Amazon? DigitalOcean?) Live streams are a game changer in helping people get out content. If you try to force more providers to vet material, it breaks down the massive availability. Sure it might foster a growth in self-hosted solutions like PeerTube, and help increase more tooling for discovery and reach; but there still aren't any really decent self-hosted streaming solutions. It's a hard problem space. U-Stream was in that market, before it was sold to IBM. I lived NZ for several years and I find the current moral panic feels very reactionary. It's finding fear in everything; not unlike how schools locked down after Columbine with lots of security theater (more locked doors; made it harder for the smokers to hide--for better and for worse). Many people I know there are totally willing to defend not having free speech, which made me truly realize how much it's baked into the psyche of the American identity.

xupybd 8y ago
Yeah we are looking at introducing hate speech laws after the attack. https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/08/524142/what-will-happen-to-hate-speech-laws?fbclid=IwAR0MH8h6gPb5yH45bstg6Hf16gV7oeJKftLQRsUm9XvZUC5_y3jjvjDgUAs# https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/08/524142/what-will-happe... Many people here don't value free speech even a little bit. I fear where this will lead us.
- xupybd 8y ago
  To show how bad it is here. Our Civil Liberties society doesn't fight for free speech https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/there-should-be-limits-to-free-speech-council-for-civil-liberties.html https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/there-sho...
  - m0zg 8y ago
    Seems like a nation well on its way to becoming a "bad" historical example in a 100 years or less.
- mr_toad 8y ago
  I wonder if they’ll ban the Old Testament. There’s still some fairly hateful passages in there.
- shard972 8y ago
  Don't value? They have been begging for free speech to be utterly decimated and cry foul if you even suggest that maybe they shouldn't lockup a teenager over sharing the video. They just want to "teach people lessons", it's quite sad really.
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- claudiawerner 8y ago
  Why is free speech a good in itself, as opposed to other forms of action which are not good in themselves? Why is a law against hate speech objectionable?
vermilingua 8y ago
I don’t know if I agree that this could have happened on any platform. Facebook’s core functionality is sharing; unlike twitch.tv, and self hosted services which by their nature have terrible discovery. Only on Facebook could this have spread like it did.

xupybd 8y ago

Yeah we are looking at introducing hate speech laws after the attack. https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/08/524142/what-will-happen-to-hate-speech-laws?fbclid=IwAR0MH8h6gPb5yH45bstg6Hf16gV7oeJKftLQRsUm9XvZUC5_y3jjvjDgUAs# https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/08/524142/what-will-happe... Many people here don't value free speech even a little bit. I fear where this will lead us.

xupybd 8y ago
To show how bad it is here. Our Civil Liberties society doesn't fight for free speech https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/there-should-be-limits-to-free-speech-council-for-civil-liberties.html https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/there-sho...
- m0zg 8y ago
  Seems like a nation well on its way to becoming a "bad" historical example in a 100 years or less.
mr_toad 8y ago
I wonder if they’ll ban the Old Testament. There’s still some fairly hateful passages in there.
shard972 8y ago
Don't value? They have been begging for free speech to be utterly decimated and cry foul if you even suggest that maybe they shouldn't lockup a teenager over sharing the video. They just want to "teach people lessons", it's quite sad really.
- deleted 8y ago
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claudiawerner 8y ago
Why is free speech a good in itself, as opposed to other forms of action which are not good in themselves? Why is a law against hate speech objectionable?

vermilingua 8y ago

I don’t know if I agree that this could have happened on any platform. Facebook’s core functionality is sharing; unlike twitch.tv, and self hosted services which by their nature have terrible discovery. Only on Facebook could this have spread like it did.