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Death is not peace, stop perpetuating that lie.

• pdonis 8y ago
  Stop trying to pass off your own personal opinions as facts.
  • diminoten 8y ago
    Stop trying to interpret my opinions as facts. Are you seriously fooled into thinking what I'm saying here is even arguably fact? Of course it's my opinion...
    • pdonis 8y ago
      If you call something someone else says a lie, that's not a statement of opinion. You're saying they said something false. That's a factual matter.
      • diminoten 8y ago
        An opinion can be false/wrong/a lie.
        • chmod775 8y ago
          Something can't be an opinion and a lie by definition. Lying is consciously uttering something you belive to be untrue. It can't be your opinion at the same time. So unless you're planning to insult the people you are talking to by calling them dishonest, you should cease this way of discussing the topic. It's obvious you care greatly about this matter and tempers can understandably get heated, but people calling each other liars rarely have productive discussions that leave all parties wiser.
          • diminoten 8y ago
            Something can be an opinion and a lie by definition. Also, I don't care if I insult people by stating facts, including, "Your opinion is wrong/a lie." Getting upset about a fact is yelling at a cloud. And why is it obvious I care greatly about this matter? Because I've written less than a page's worth of content on the topic? Seems like a weirdly low bar...
            • pdonis 8y ago
              > I don't care if I insult people by stating facts, including, "Your opinion is wrong/a lie." You can't know their opinion is wrong, because you've already admitted that's just your opinion. It's not a fact. Your opinions are not facts.
              • diminoten 8y ago
                That's not how opinions work at all. An opinion can be true or false, justified or not. I'm not countering anyone's opinion with my own opinion, I'm pointing out facts that disprove those opinions, and then offering my own alternative opinion that isn't proven wrong.
                • pdonis 8y ago
                  > I'm pointing out facts that disprove those opinions You have pointed out no fact that justifies your accusation of lying.
                  • diminoten 8y ago
                    Ah so now you rope back around to the actual conversation. Nope, you've poisoned this well too much with your semantic nonsense, you don't deserve to benefit from anything I have to say about death.
                    • pdonis 8y ago
                      > you don't deserve to benefit from anything I have to say about death You've already said what you have to say about death pretty clearly, so if I were going to derive any benefit from it, I would have already done so. But if it will set your mind at rest, no, I haven't derived any benefit from what you have to say about death.
        • pdonis 8y ago
          Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Opinions are opinions: nobody knows for sure which ones are right or wrong. IMO you should retract your accusation of "lie" since you have admitted you were just stating your opinion. Your opinion might not agree with someone else's opinion, but that doesn't justify you accusing them of lying.
          • diminoten 8y ago
            Sorry, but I can have it this way, and it's not "both" ways, it's just one way. Opinions can be false, and it's a lie to say that death is peace. Rudimentary philosophy will help you understand this conversation, as it covers fairly extensively the truth/false of beliefs, and the very nature of what truth is. I recommend you spend some time looking into it before you feign outrage over an unrelated topic to the one in this submission.
            • pdonis 8y ago
              > it's a lie to say that death is peace No, it's your opinion that death is not peace. "Peace" is not a word with a single fixed meaning, so you have no basis for saying that other people are lying when they express the opinion that death is peace. All you can say is that your opinion disagrees with theirs. > Rudimentary philosophy will help you understand this conversation, as it covers fairly extensively the truth/false of beliefs, and the very nature of what truth is. I recommend you spend some time looking into it Sorry, not buying it. Blowing smoke won't change the fact that you're making an unjustified accusation of lying.
              • diminoten 8y ago
                Yes, I literally do, because words have meanings and death does not mean peace, in any sense of the word. It may be peace for those still living, but for the person who is actually dead, it's not peace, it's literal nothingness for all eternity. There isn't peace in that, no matter how semantic you want to get.
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• lolc 8y ago
  Not all peace is welcome, mind you.