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The key here is "selling." You won't get DRM-free rentals or a la carte video; we didn't with audio. Yes, if you buy an album, it's DRM free. Spotify still has

by cwyers 8y ago

The key here is "selling." You won't get DRM-free rentals or a la carte video; we didn't with audio. Yes, if you buy an album, it's DRM free. Spotify still has DRM in it.

shmerl 8y ago
The problem is lack of buying options. Music has many stores to buy it DRM-free. Video used to be sold on optical disks, but with transition to digital (who buys disks today?), there are no options to buy video DRM-free. The lack is naturally filled by piracy, since media execs don't care to address the market.
lozf 8y ago
Apart from DRM, if you stream or "buy a download" of an Album, many have watermarks which in some cases are audible and may detract from the listening experience.
- shmerl 8y ago
  Bandcamp sells good quality FLAC. I've never heard any audible watermarks there.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Who sells music with audible watermarks?
  - lozf 8y ago
    AFIAA, all/most releases on labels owned by Universal Music Group, and possibly some Sony releases. https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2007/08/universal-to-track-drm-free-music-online-via-watermarking/ https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2007/08/universal-to-t... https://www.mattmontag.com/music/universals-audible-watermark https://www.mattmontag.com/music/universals-audible-watermar... https://community.spotify.com/t5/Content-Questions/Audible-watermarks-degrading-sound-on-Spotify-premium/td-p/1300815 https://community.spotify.com/t5/Content-Questions/Audible-w... https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/18472-audible-watermarking/ https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/18472-audible-water... https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/is-universal-music-group-using-audible-watermarks-on-digital-files.334991/page-3 https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/is-universal-music-gr... https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5580197 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5580197 https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,112052.0.html https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,112052.0.html https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,117462.0.html https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,117462.0.html https://rec.music.classical.recordings.narkive.com/Nh7Ya8vd/umg-fraud-audible-watermarking-of-all-online-music https://rec.music.classical.recordings.narkive.com/Nh7Ya8vd/... https://hardforum.com/threads/audible-watermark-umg-digital-distributions.1802366/ https://hardforum.com/threads/audible-watermark-umg-digital-... etc.
thirdsun 8y ago
> Spotify still has DRM in it. Of course. How else would a subscription service work? That's the whole distinguishing point between renting and buying content. Do you suggest being able to subscribe to Spotify for a month and downloading half their catalogue for you to keep forever?

by cwyers 8y ago

The key here is "selling." You won't get DRM-free rentals or a la carte video; we didn't with audio. Yes, if you buy an album, it's DRM free. Spotify still has DRM in it.

shmerl 8y ago

The problem is lack of buying options. Music has many stores to buy it DRM-free. Video used to be sold on optical disks, but with transition to digital (who buys disks today?), there are no options to buy video DRM-free. The lack is naturally filled by piracy, since media execs don't care to address the market.

lozf 8y ago

Apart from DRM, if you stream or "buy a download" of an Album, many have watermarks which in some cases are audible and may detract from the listening experience.

shmerl 8y ago
Bandcamp sells good quality FLAC. I've never heard any audible watermarks there.
scarface74 8y ago
Who sells music with audible watermarks?
- lozf 8y ago
  AFIAA, all/most releases on labels owned by Universal Music Group, and possibly some Sony releases. https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2007/08/universal-to-track-drm-free-music-online-via-watermarking/ https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2007/08/universal-to-t... https://www.mattmontag.com/music/universals-audible-watermark https://www.mattmontag.com/music/universals-audible-watermar... https://community.spotify.com/t5/Content-Questions/Audible-watermarks-degrading-sound-on-Spotify-premium/td-p/1300815 https://community.spotify.com/t5/Content-Questions/Audible-w... https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/18472-audible-watermarking/ https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/18472-audible-water... https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/is-universal-music-group-using-audible-watermarks-on-digital-files.334991/page-3 https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/is-universal-music-gr... https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5580197 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5580197 https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,112052.0.html https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,112052.0.html https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,117462.0.html https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,117462.0.html https://rec.music.classical.recordings.narkive.com/Nh7Ya8vd/umg-fraud-audible-watermarking-of-all-online-music https://rec.music.classical.recordings.narkive.com/Nh7Ya8vd/... https://hardforum.com/threads/audible-watermark-umg-digital-distributions.1802366/ https://hardforum.com/threads/audible-watermark-umg-digital-... etc.

thirdsun 8y ago

> Spotify still has DRM in it. Of course. How else would a subscription service work? That's the whole distinguishing point between renting and buying content. Do you suggest being able to subscribe to Spotify for a month and downloading half their catalogue for you to keep forever?