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I also think that STEM degrees teach you to break down problems mechanically and "think like a machine". It also can teach you to be able to project an idea to

I also think that STEM degrees teach you to break down problems mechanically and "think like a machine". It also can teach you to be able to project an idea to a logical conclusion even if that end point is uncomfortable or surprising. That might not sound like a skill to a lot of people, but I've noticed people without STEM educations or who aren't self-taught in some sort of similar way aren't always great at doing that. I noticed that the people that dropped out in the first year of CS, for instance, really struggled with seeing the machine as having intentions, or at least anthropomorphizing it more than was useful. That being said, I also notice that a lot of my STEM colleagues look down on creatives and humanities, which is really unfortunate. It's not about one being better than the other, they both have very useful things to teach.

presidente20 8y ago
Great point. I think there are some subtle things about Maths in particular and science in general that make it more educational. One is learning to accept and understand things that are at first counter-intuitive. When solving Maths problems I seem to recall that it was often easy to fool myself into a wrong solution due to faulty intuition. Maths trains you to distrust it, dig into problems, use logic and check/test your solution. Furthermore the hard feedback you get helps all the above. Discussing something or writing an essay on a topic which doesn't have a defined answer doesn't seem like a great educational experience even though the activity itself is valuable.
mter 8y ago
> It's not about one being better than the other, they both have very useful things to teach. Did you do a humanities degree and a cs degree? I did a psychology degree then went back to school later to get my cs degree. The intellectual rigor just isn't there in any humanities classes because most of the students shouldn't be in college at all. Yes, there was a small handful of really smart people in psychology but most of the students were there to party for 4-5 years while their parents paid for it.
- dianeb 8y ago
  Generalizations are such fun; when you say, "The intellectual rigor just isn't there in any humanities classes because most of the students shouldn't be in college at all" I think you are conflating rigor with substance. Computer Science is easy but tedious if you're a Math major as I was. On the other hand, Native American literature was anything but easy because it required the clarity of a different world view as well as being able to write about it within the reality of the "inside-outside" nature where much of the literature originates. That understanding and the ability to write well is a rigor of its own.
- overgard 8y ago
  I don't know, rigor is really hard to define outside of sciences, and even then, a science can be not as rigorous as others and still tell you useful things. I mean, economics isn't quite as rigorous as physics, but it's still useful. One of the hardest but most rewarding classes I took in college was creative writing. There's not a ton of "rigor" to that; a lot of it is really subjective, and even with the widely agreed upon rules, there are certainly times when it's useful to break them. But I learned a ton from that class all the same.

presidente20 8y ago

Great point. I think there are some subtle things about Maths in particular and science in general that make it more educational. One is learning to accept and understand things that are at first counter-intuitive. When solving Maths problems I seem to recall that it was often easy to fool myself into a wrong solution due to faulty intuition. Maths trains you to distrust it, dig into problems, use logic and check/test your solution. Furthermore the hard feedback you get helps all the above. Discussing something or writing an essay on a topic which doesn't have a defined answer doesn't seem like a great educational experience even though the activity itself is valuable.

mter 8y ago

> It's not about one being better than the other, they both have very useful things to teach. Did you do a humanities degree and a cs degree? I did a psychology degree then went back to school later to get my cs degree. The intellectual rigor just isn't there in any humanities classes because most of the students shouldn't be in college at all. Yes, there was a small handful of really smart people in psychology but most of the students were there to party for 4-5 years while their parents paid for it.

dianeb 8y ago
Generalizations are such fun; when you say, "The intellectual rigor just isn't there in any humanities classes because most of the students shouldn't be in college at all" I think you are conflating rigor with substance. Computer Science is easy but tedious if you're a Math major as I was. On the other hand, Native American literature was anything but easy because it required the clarity of a different world view as well as being able to write about it within the reality of the "inside-outside" nature where much of the literature originates. That understanding and the ability to write well is a rigor of its own.
overgard 8y ago
I don't know, rigor is really hard to define outside of sciences, and even then, a science can be not as rigorous as others and still tell you useful things. I mean, economics isn't quite as rigorous as physics, but it's still useful. One of the hardest but most rewarding classes I took in college was creative writing. There's not a ton of "rigor" to that; a lot of it is really subjective, and even with the widely agreed upon rules, there are certainly times when it's useful to break them. But I learned a ton from that class all the same.