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I looked at some trial 5G gNB; you definitely feel nauseated if u r standing near these units. This will be a concern.

hannob 8y ago
have you also tried to blind-test standing beside one that's switched off and on? Because plenty of people say they can "feel" cellphone radiation (so-called electrosensitivity), yet noone has ever been able to show this under controlled scientific conditions. As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it.
- NullPrefix 8y ago
  >As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it. Was this documented during a test or just anecdata?
  - 32032141 8y ago
    https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wireless/11099-massive-revelation-in-iburst-tower-battle.html https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wireless/11099-massive-revela... This sort of thing happens quite a bit actually. In this case, a huge number of residents complained ofvarious illnesses that were supposed to have been caused by a new tower being built in their vicinity. That the symptoms were presented when the tower was not operational is fairly telling that nocebo effect dominates here over any rational or explainable occurrence.
    - aldoushuxley001 8y ago
      Note this has no bearing on whether 5G does or doesn't actually have any deleterious or damaging effects on health. That being said, it does, as 32032141 suggests, tell a fair amount about nocebo effects.
      - 32032141 8y ago
        Indeed. My point was that taking claims about effects from people is effectively worthless in a situation where the "threat" is invisible, effects are subjective, and there's a lot of political motivation for belief in them. In a small city nearby people claimed these sorts of effects in an attempt to prevent a cellphone tower being built and "ruining" their view.
  - shrewduser 8y ago
    >noone has ever been able to show this under controlled scientific conditions. implies that it was documented during a test
- typon 8y ago
  Similar to the studies done on infrasound, which seems to bother residents living near wind farms. The studies show that the biggest indicator of whether you're affected by infrasound is if you're told there is infrasound being emitted...
  - DataWorker 8y ago
    Studies show eggs are healthy. Now studies say they aren’t. Science is difficult and often gets impacted by market forces. Perhaps this is even more of a concern with psychological research such as the studies you are referring to.
    - mrtksn 8y ago
      That's not the case. The problem here is that the media wants simplistic answers as "healthy or not healthy" but studies don't have such conclusions. What studies find out is "eggs increase X and decrease the probability of Y happening". This is not about science being difficult but an understanding of the outcomes being difficult. This is also how some people try to discredit science. For example, I was highly irritated by Dilbert's creator's argument on defending Trump's climate policies, he said something about swimming after eating previously deemed hazardous but now declared safe, therefore you can't trust experts.
    - typon 8y ago
      If you can't reproduce something through randomized control trials, then you should at the very least be very skeptical about it and not pass legislation purely based on people's views.
  - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
    That's not really the question though. If you have someone eat food contaminated with lead or mercury, they may not be able to taste the difference, but that doesn't mean it's harmless. The question isn't whether you can immediately sense its presence, the question is the effects of sustained exposure. And the fact that the placebo effect is a real thing doesn't really tell you that one way or the other.
- artificialLimbs 8y ago
  I don't just feel cell phone radiation, it has a visible effect on my body. If I'm carrying a cell in my pocket or near my legs, some of the muscles (I believe it's the muscles) in my legs will begin to vibrate, as though they are having spasms. This happens very frequently when I have my mobile data turned on and the phone near my legs. When mobile data is off, it doesn't happen. I'd be happy to show anyone this effect any time. I guess I could make a video. The effect is very reproducible.
  - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
    I’m not saying I don’t beleive you; just that I don’t think anyone has ever actually repusproduced cell phone sensitivity (detection) in a controlled environment. How would you know if it’s just in your head?
    - driverdan 8y ago
      > How would you know if it’s just in your head? Please don't say "just" in your head. It's implying that psychological conditions aren't as significant or real as physical ones. They are very real and need to be treated just like anything else.
      - ebg13 8y ago
        That's both true and also not salient to the subject at hand.
      - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
        Yes... but when the discussion is DONT MAKE 5G because someone may have a condition in their head, you see the difference between your point and the topic at hand right?
      - Avamander 7y ago
        I will say it's "just in your head", because it is. Some person's mental illness shouldn't be a reason the rest can't build wind farms, vaccinate people or build 5G substations.
- crudbug 8y ago
  They were turned on - we were testing Dual Connectivity of 4G-5G handovers.
DaniloDias 8y ago
This is a problem for any sufficiently high power transmitter.

have you also tried to blind-test standing beside one that's switched off and on? Because plenty of people say they can "feel" cellphone radiation (so-called electrosensitivity), yet noone has ever been able to show this under controlled scientific conditions. As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it.

NullPrefix 8y ago
>As soon as they don't know if the radiation is there they stop feeling it. Was this documented during a test or just anecdata?
- 32032141 8y ago
  https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wireless/11099-massive-revelation-in-iburst-tower-battle.html https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wireless/11099-massive-revela... This sort of thing happens quite a bit actually. In this case, a huge number of residents complained ofvarious illnesses that were supposed to have been caused by a new tower being built in their vicinity. That the symptoms were presented when the tower was not operational is fairly telling that nocebo effect dominates here over any rational or explainable occurrence.
  - aldoushuxley001 8y ago
    Note this has no bearing on whether 5G does or doesn't actually have any deleterious or damaging effects on health. That being said, it does, as 32032141 suggests, tell a fair amount about nocebo effects.
    - 32032141 8y ago
      Indeed. My point was that taking claims about effects from people is effectively worthless in a situation where the "threat" is invisible, effects are subjective, and there's a lot of political motivation for belief in them. In a small city nearby people claimed these sorts of effects in an attempt to prevent a cellphone tower being built and "ruining" their view.
- shrewduser 8y ago
  >noone has ever been able to show this under controlled scientific conditions. implies that it was documented during a test
typon 8y ago
Similar to the studies done on infrasound, which seems to bother residents living near wind farms. The studies show that the biggest indicator of whether you're affected by infrasound is if you're told there is infrasound being emitted...
- DataWorker 8y ago
  Studies show eggs are healthy. Now studies say they aren’t. Science is difficult and often gets impacted by market forces. Perhaps this is even more of a concern with psychological research such as the studies you are referring to.
  - mrtksn 8y ago
    That's not the case. The problem here is that the media wants simplistic answers as "healthy or not healthy" but studies don't have such conclusions. What studies find out is "eggs increase X and decrease the probability of Y happening". This is not about science being difficult but an understanding of the outcomes being difficult. This is also how some people try to discredit science. For example, I was highly irritated by Dilbert's creator's argument on defending Trump's climate policies, he said something about swimming after eating previously deemed hazardous but now declared safe, therefore you can't trust experts.
  - typon 8y ago
    If you can't reproduce something through randomized control trials, then you should at the very least be very skeptical about it and not pass legislation purely based on people's views.
- AnthonyMouse 8y ago
  That's not really the question though. If you have someone eat food contaminated with lead or mercury, they may not be able to taste the difference, but that doesn't mean it's harmless. The question isn't whether you can immediately sense its presence, the question is the effects of sustained exposure. And the fact that the placebo effect is a real thing doesn't really tell you that one way or the other.
artificialLimbs 8y ago
I don't just feel cell phone radiation, it has a visible effect on my body. If I'm carrying a cell in my pocket or near my legs, some of the muscles (I believe it's the muscles) in my legs will begin to vibrate, as though they are having spasms. This happens very frequently when I have my mobile data turned on and the phone near my legs. When mobile data is off, it doesn't happen. I'd be happy to show anyone this effect any time. I guess I could make a video. The effect is very reproducible.
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
  I’m not saying I don’t beleive you; just that I don’t think anyone has ever actually repusproduced cell phone sensitivity (detection) in a controlled environment. How would you know if it’s just in your head?
  - driverdan 8y ago
    > How would you know if it’s just in your head? Please don't say "just" in your head. It's implying that psychological conditions aren't as significant or real as physical ones. They are very real and need to be treated just like anything else.
    - ebg13 8y ago
      That's both true and also not salient to the subject at hand.
    - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
      Yes... but when the discussion is DONT MAKE 5G because someone may have a condition in their head, you see the difference between your point and the topic at hand right?
    - Avamander 7y ago
      I will say it's "just in your head", because it is. Some person's mental illness shouldn't be a reason the rest can't build wind farms, vaccinate people or build 5G substations.
crudbug 8y ago
They were turned on - we were testing Dual Connectivity of 4G-5G handovers.

DaniloDias 8y ago

This is a problem for any sufficiently high power transmitter.