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Wonder what this decision is baserad on, its non-ionized radiation and may confuse bees etc but humans ....?

xchip 8y ago
On the paper that is true but still the FCC seems to have some concerns + https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/wireless-devices-and-health-concerns https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/wireless-devices-and-he... + https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/human-exposure-radio-frequency-fields-guidelines-cellular-and-pcs-sites https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/human-exposure-radio-fr...
- Symmetry 8y ago
  Those guidelines are all about the heating effects of microwave radiation on flesh, the same way that an animal placed in a microwave oven would be injured or killed. And the FCC has established a limit for exposure of 1.6 W/kg where we can be sure that you aren't anywhere near having parts of you cooked. Sufficiently intense microwave exposure can be a health hazard but there's nothing subtle about it, like there is with ionizing radiation which can make you sick days or weeks after exposure or give you cancer. For 5G in particular the radio waves will tend to not penetrate as far into you body. Some militarizes have actually developed non-lethal crowd control weapons that cause a burning sensation in the victims' skins with the same sort of ~100GHz waves used by 5G but at a much, much higher power than the FCC would allow for consumer devices.
  - jcims 8y ago
    Is that 1.6W per kg of exposed tissue or for the whole critter (e.g. 160W for a 100kg manbeast)? I put my hand on an antenna coupling plate for one of those through the glass CB antennas, and keyed the mic. This CB transmitted at 4W. It truly felt like someone heated the tip of a dagger and stabbed the palm of my hand with it. Unbelievably painful.
    - detuur 8y ago
      I feel it's pretty obviously per exposed tissue. It's not so much that your mass affects your resistance to it, but that the radiation needs a certain density to cook your hands.
    - Symmetry 8y ago
      The limit is that no particular gram of your flesh can be exposed to more than 1.6W/kg.
      - jcims 8y ago
        I wonder how they determine how much energy is absorbed. In my example above, CB radio operates at ~27MHz. Most folks would say that’s going to pass right through, but damn if it didn’t cook me.
swader99 8y ago
Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. It certainly won't kill you but it causes oxidative stress on your cells. 5G just ups the intensity to 11.
- 32032141 8y ago
  What you're saying has quite literally no basis in fact. Counter to it significantly, there's a heap more powerful non-ionizing transmission than things you have locally in very similar bands, like hundreds of kilowatt TV and FM radio transmitters. Any "effect" you would be seeing is placebo or nocebo depending on the state of your "airplane mode" switch.
  - shrewduser 8y ago
    don't forget the lights in your room, much higher output and much higher frequencies than your phone.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. What is this supposed to do?
  - swombat 8y ago
    Presumably, offer a sense of relaxation and peace - mostly through a combination of the placebo effect and not spending so much time looking at the internet, I guess!
  - recrof 8y ago
    I guess you won't be bothered with app notifications, unwanted calls or sms messages. That's about it.
- sathackr 8y ago
  [citation needed]
- 8y ago

On the paper that is true but still the FCC seems to have some concerns + https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/wireless-devices-and-health-concerns https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/wireless-devices-and-he... + https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/human-exposure-radio-frequency-fields-guidelines-cellular-and-pcs-sites https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/human-exposure-radio-fr...

Symmetry 8y ago
Those guidelines are all about the heating effects of microwave radiation on flesh, the same way that an animal placed in a microwave oven would be injured or killed. And the FCC has established a limit for exposure of 1.6 W/kg where we can be sure that you aren't anywhere near having parts of you cooked. Sufficiently intense microwave exposure can be a health hazard but there's nothing subtle about it, like there is with ionizing radiation which can make you sick days or weeks after exposure or give you cancer. For 5G in particular the radio waves will tend to not penetrate as far into you body. Some militarizes have actually developed non-lethal crowd control weapons that cause a burning sensation in the victims' skins with the same sort of ~100GHz waves used by 5G but at a much, much higher power than the FCC would allow for consumer devices.
- jcims 8y ago
  Is that 1.6W per kg of exposed tissue or for the whole critter (e.g. 160W for a 100kg manbeast)? I put my hand on an antenna coupling plate for one of those through the glass CB antennas, and keyed the mic. This CB transmitted at 4W. It truly felt like someone heated the tip of a dagger and stabbed the palm of my hand with it. Unbelievably painful.
  - detuur 8y ago
    I feel it's pretty obviously per exposed tissue. It's not so much that your mass affects your resistance to it, but that the radiation needs a certain density to cook your hands.
  - Symmetry 8y ago
    The limit is that no particular gram of your flesh can be exposed to more than 1.6W/kg.
    - jcims 8y ago
      I wonder how they determine how much energy is absorbed. In my example above, CB radio operates at ~27MHz. Most folks would say that’s going to pass right through, but damn if it didn’t cook me.

swader99 8y ago

Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. It certainly won't kill you but it causes oxidative stress on your cells. 5G just ups the intensity to 11.

32032141 8y ago
What you're saying has quite literally no basis in fact. Counter to it significantly, there's a heap more powerful non-ionizing transmission than things you have locally in very similar bands, like hundreds of kilowatt TV and FM radio transmitters. Any "effect" you would be seeing is placebo or nocebo depending on the state of your "airplane mode" switch.
- shrewduser 8y ago
  don't forget the lights in your room, much higher output and much higher frequencies than your phone.
saagarjha 8y ago
> Try sleeping for a week with your cell phone on airplane mode and your wifi unplugged. What is this supposed to do?
- swombat 8y ago
  Presumably, offer a sense of relaxation and peace - mostly through a combination of the placebo effect and not spending so much time looking at the internet, I guess!
- recrof 8y ago
  I guess you won't be bothered with app notifications, unwanted calls or sms messages. That's about it.
sathackr 8y ago
[citation needed]
8y ago