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The default style for browsers (if you do not put any css) looks rather good to me. I do not honestly understand what is the problem.

saagarjha 8y ago
It's a bit too brutalist. A small touch of CSS can go a long way to making a website more pleasant to use.
- enriquto 8y ago
  Maybe, but I have come to like it and find it very pleasant. When I activate full css for some sites, the web looks a bit phony to me.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    I guess? I find that I prefer the web being a bit (but not excessively) "dressed up"…
albedoa 8y ago
Here is a section of the OP in Chrome on macOS with no CSS applied: https://i.imgur.com/AGzy98D.png https://i.imgur.com/AGzy98D.png I am not in a position to doubt your stated preference, but certainly "it looks rather good to me" does not block you from understanding why others would would want some basic styles applied to the sites they create and visit.
- enriquto 8y ago
  The OP demo looks better only because the css adds a linebreak after the widgets. But I actually prefer the cleaner look of the default style. A matter of being used to it, probably.
  - tyingq 8y ago
    "the css adds a linebreak after the widgets" I don't see any linebreaks in the source, but there is this: input:not([type='checkbox']), select { display: block; } And other things, like margin-bottom settings for input elements.
dredmorbius 8y ago
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- dredmorbius 8y ago
  Which is to say: the defaults can be improved on, greatly, with very modest styling. Alternatively: the defaults are poor.
  - enriquto 8y ago
    This is rather subjective. Looking at this collection of pages, I have no doubt that the first one looks much, much better than any of the others.
    - dredmorbius 8y ago
      On wide screens, and with different pixel densities, defaults start to manifestly suck rapidly. Fonts which are too small or large, or text lines which are too long, are objectively harder to read. Other design choices similarly have measurable impacts. Jakob Nielsen's methodology of timing task completion and measuring completion accuracy is a UI/UX testing methodology which removes subjectivity.
      - enriquto 8y ago
        > Fonts which are too small or large, or text lines which are too long, are objectively harder to read. I compulsively CTRL+wheel-up and CTRL+wheel-down all the websites that I read until the "right" size appears, so I do not really care about the font size setup by the author of the site. But probably my behavior is not very representative.

saagarjha 8y ago

It's a bit too brutalist. A small touch of CSS can go a long way to making a website more pleasant to use.

enriquto 8y ago
Maybe, but I have come to like it and find it very pleasant. When I activate full css for some sites, the web looks a bit phony to me.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  I guess? I find that I prefer the web being a bit (but not excessively) "dressed up"…

albedoa 8y ago

Here is a section of the OP in Chrome on macOS with no CSS applied: https://i.imgur.com/AGzy98D.png https://i.imgur.com/AGzy98D.png I am not in a position to doubt your stated preference, but certainly "it looks rather good to me" does not block you from understanding why others would would want some basic styles applied to the sites they create and visit.

enriquto 8y ago
The OP demo looks better only because the css adds a linebreak after the widgets. But I actually prefer the cleaner look of the default style. A matter of being used to it, probably.
- tyingq 8y ago
  "the css adds a linebreak after the widgets" I don't see any linebreaks in the source, but there is this: input:not([type='checkbox']), select { display: block; } And other things, like margin-bottom settings for input elements.

dredmorbius 8y ago

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dredmorbius 8y ago
Which is to say: the defaults can be improved on, greatly, with very modest styling. Alternatively: the defaults are poor.
- enriquto 8y ago
  This is rather subjective. Looking at this collection of pages, I have no doubt that the first one looks much, much better than any of the others.
  - dredmorbius 8y ago
    On wide screens, and with different pixel densities, defaults start to manifestly suck rapidly. Fonts which are too small or large, or text lines which are too long, are objectively harder to read. Other design choices similarly have measurable impacts. Jakob Nielsen's methodology of timing task completion and measuring completion accuracy is a UI/UX testing methodology which removes subjectivity.
    - enriquto 8y ago
      > Fonts which are too small or large, or text lines which are too long, are objectively harder to read. I compulsively CTRL+wheel-up and CTRL+wheel-down all the websites that I read until the "right" size appears, so I do not really care about the font size setup by the author of the site. But probably my behavior is not very representative.