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My opinion is that you might underestimate the magnitude of potential nuclear accidents. I think that Germany's decision to decommission over time their nuclear

My opinion is that you might underestimate the magnitude of potential nuclear accidents. I think that Germany's decision to decommission over time their nuclear power plants was pretty well studied. Please see: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/09/chernobyl-history-tragedy-serhii-plokhy-review-disaster-europe-soviet-system https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2018/...

jfnixon 8y ago
And now Germany is not meeting its decarbonization goals. How is that a win for the environment?
- turbinerneiter 8y ago
  That has little to do with the decommissioning itself, and more with the Governments stupidity and ignorance. The decommissioning is only one part of that screw-up. Germany wants (and the whole world should): * enough energy * carbon-free * nuclear-waste-free On order to do that, you need massive investments in renewable energy and storage. Instead, they found a way to have: * large investment in solar energy, without protectionist measures, leading to the German solar industry dying an creating demand that lead to cheap China solar (overly simplified - feel free to elaborate in your answers) * laws that limit the building of wind power significantly * failure to build a power line from the north (offshore windparks) to the south (high power demands, less power resources) which currently leads to insane situations with the neighbors * first extending the nuclear power plants permits, shortly afterwards deciding to shut down, which lead to Germany having to pay compensations to the companies (in addition to a completely botched nuclear fuel tax, that they had to pay back after it was found invalid in court) * subsidies for dirty coal plants over decades (300 billion was a number floating around) and another I think 50 billions to help the regions which rely on the coal business after the coal shutdown Politicians deal in compromise. They see different interests and they try to find a middle ground between those two. They do that with a pretty heavy disregard of science. Scientist are just another interest group. Scientists: If we don't cut CO2 but this much until this date, the effects of climate change will become this nasty. Industry: If we do that, that will cost us X moneys and endanger Y jobs and we will make Z less profit. Government: OK. let's meet halfway. Earth: LOL
  - VyperCard 8y ago
    Hey well put and on point.
  - ftr45 8y ago
    >That has little to do with the decommissioning itself, yes they cut the main source of green energy
    - turbinerneiter 8y ago
      What's green about an energy source that produces waste that has to be stored for thousands of years by a nation which only exist since 1945? There is still no final depot for that waste, and the depots they have now are currently running full of water. I get the argument of nuclear being zero-emission and maybe nuclear can be the solution - but not in its current form. If they wanna play, they need the new kind of reactors, which are actually safe and minimize nuclear waste. Also maybe figure out what to do with the waste before you produce it.
fghtr 8y ago
Non-AMP-link: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/09/chernobyl-history-tragedy-serhii-plokhy-review-disaster-europe-soviet-system https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/09/chernobyl-hist...

jfnixon 8y ago

And now Germany is not meeting its decarbonization goals. How is that a win for the environment?

turbinerneiter 8y ago
That has little to do with the decommissioning itself, and more with the Governments stupidity and ignorance. The decommissioning is only one part of that screw-up. Germany wants (and the whole world should): * enough energy * carbon-free * nuclear-waste-free On order to do that, you need massive investments in renewable energy and storage. Instead, they found a way to have: * large investment in solar energy, without protectionist measures, leading to the German solar industry dying an creating demand that lead to cheap China solar (overly simplified - feel free to elaborate in your answers) * laws that limit the building of wind power significantly * failure to build a power line from the north (offshore windparks) to the south (high power demands, less power resources) which currently leads to insane situations with the neighbors * first extending the nuclear power plants permits, shortly afterwards deciding to shut down, which lead to Germany having to pay compensations to the companies (in addition to a completely botched nuclear fuel tax, that they had to pay back after it was found invalid in court) * subsidies for dirty coal plants over decades (300 billion was a number floating around) and another I think 50 billions to help the regions which rely on the coal business after the coal shutdown Politicians deal in compromise. They see different interests and they try to find a middle ground between those two. They do that with a pretty heavy disregard of science. Scientist are just another interest group. Scientists: If we don't cut CO2 but this much until this date, the effects of climate change will become this nasty. Industry: If we do that, that will cost us X moneys and endanger Y jobs and we will make Z less profit. Government: OK. let's meet halfway. Earth: LOL
- VyperCard 8y ago
  Hey well put and on point.
- ftr45 8y ago
  >That has little to do with the decommissioning itself, yes they cut the main source of green energy
  - turbinerneiter 8y ago
    What's green about an energy source that produces waste that has to be stored for thousands of years by a nation which only exist since 1945? There is still no final depot for that waste, and the depots they have now are currently running full of water. I get the argument of nuclear being zero-emission and maybe nuclear can be the solution - but not in its current form. If they wanna play, they need the new kind of reactors, which are actually safe and minimize nuclear waste. Also maybe figure out what to do with the waste before you produce it.

fghtr 8y ago

Non-AMP-link: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/09/chernobyl-history-tragedy-serhii-plokhy-review-disaster-europe-soviet-system https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/09/chernobyl-hist...