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It's not made up. You misunderstood about the developmental delays: she gave birth to her son, refused to nurse him, refused to even have him close to her. She
by sisu2019 8y ago
It's not made up. You misunderstood about the developmental delays: she gave birth to her son, refused to nurse him, refused to even have him close to her. She did not go outside with him or interact with him in any way beyond what's necessary to sustain life. She was living in a 11 squaremeter apartment with him and did not let him explore, did not take him to the play ground, did not take him to child groups. For a young child this situation basically amounts to sensory deprivation and it's absolutely enough to stunt growth and development.
Oh it's real, I haven't even told you half of her insanity.
Like the time my girlfriend who is her friend tried to help her quit by listening to Alen Carr which had helped us a lot in quitting smoking. Quote verbatim: 'this is brain washing'.
Like the time my step son who would rather bite his arm of then confront someone told her straight up that smoking while pregnant is a shitty thing to do to the baby. She just shrugges, smiles and say I know I know.
Like when she told her baby father to move 700km so he can take their son on the weekends (she was always trying to pawn him off to someone) and then half a year later moved up 500km the same direction to her new boyfriend and now has the state pay for her legal bills from the resulting custody dispute.
It's all real. You can, of course think, that it's all invented by the american right wing to make poor people look bad but if you listen you will hear the same kind of stories from social workers and welfare officials from all over.
You might not want to believe this because it points to a fundamental problem of welfare: bad attitudes, tendencies and habits get worse with more resources and not better.
- lazyasciiart 8y agoNo, they don't. And social workers and welfare officials that I know do tell stories like this - about the parents of children now in state care. Infants don't get left with mothers who refuse to nurse or hold them. Children who are found to be suffering from such severe neglect that they are developmentally delayed don't get left with those parents. I have no doubt you believe what you're saying, and I have no doubt that you are misinformed.
- sisu2019 8y agoYes, they absolutely do. How is this even a question? You don't cure a drug habit by giving the person more money cause they'll just buy more drugs. You don't cure a reckless driver by given them a faster car. You don't cure a reckless spender by letting them spend more. It's not even a question you would contest if there was something on the line for you except defending your ideology > state care Of course child welfare services (Jugendamt) is on the case. They gave her a case worker that used to stop by to make sure it didn't get too bad. Of course she thought the job of that person was to Nany her son so she went through about three case workers in as many years. Btw, she picks fights with everyone. But the state of Germany is (rightfully) very reluctant to take kids away. Even with this amount of neglect it's hard to be sure that fostering the kid would produce better results plus we have double sordid history with this kind of thing. [1] [2] Doctors tell her in no uncertain terms what she needs to do but wouldn't you know it, she always reacts exasperated "how dare he say it's not normal that a child doesn't call for his mommy at 2 years old, I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT.". She feels like she is a perpetual victim of all these people who are really trying to help her. > I have no doubt that you are misinformed. I am perfectly informed as I get near daily updates on this case. I am going to be honest, knowing this person has absolutely shifted my view from a systemic one to a personal one. You can't make a welfare system that can fix this. It's literally better to have none at all because any welfare system is just paying people like her to become ever more useless and degenerate. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/22/germany-cold-war-forced-adoptions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/22/germany-cold-w...
- lazyasciiart 8y agoFun fact: one of the single most effective interventions for homeless people who take drugs is to give them a place to live. It's an amazing example of how giving people resources helps them stop relying on unhealthy coping mechanisms. What you describe is quite literally a textbook cause for removing the child from the mother in German law - an immediate risk to their opportunity to develop cognitively or emotionally. You may well be describing an amazing case where some half dozen welfare professionals have all seen a case that clearly evaluates to 'this child needs to be removed' and all done nothing, but ... the odds are low. And the idea that you can't be misinformed because of the frequency of updates? Oh dear. I am sorry that hearing about this woman has impaired your ability to think about welfare as a system. Perhaps you should avoid the topic until you recover your ability to think beyond her.