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By coincidence, I recently watched the first episode of a TV show where Norway's oil resources contribute to a different kind of trouble. https://en.wikipedia.
by btrettel 8y ago
By coincidence, I recently watched the first episode of a TV show where Norway's oil resources contribute to a different kind of trouble.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied
- pizza 8y agoOccupied is pretty good! Check out Nobel if you want to watch another Norwegian political thriller with a focus on the interplay between energy resources and international relations- this time about a Norwegian guy who comes home from Afganistan only to become a pawn for international politics
- btrettel 8y agoThanks for the recommendation.
- gdy 8y agoIt is russophobic. The idea of Russia invading Norway to resume Norwegian oil production because the EU asked it is absurd. Were it to happen in real life, Russia would be applauding Norway for rising the oil price and ramping up its own oil production as much as it can.
- lagadu 8y agoSo you're saying that a fictional show is... fictional?
- gdy 8y agoNo, that is not what I am saying.
- gdy 8y agoImagine a movie depicting Jews baking matzos using the blood of christian babies. Would you reply with the same "So you're saying that a fictional show is... fictional"?
- pytester 8y agoRussia is a state that has occupied at 7/8 European countries in the last century. Judaism is a somewhat vaguely defined cultural/religious grouping. In European history the last large scale attempt to blur the distinction between race and state ended with attempted genocide. It's somewhat distasteful to continue repeating that mistake.
- gdy 8y agoYour attempt to justify russophobia is distasteful. All this nonsense like 'we don't like Russian state but love Russian people" doesn't fool anyone.
- pytester 8y agoI watched the TV series and it was actually remarkably sympathetic towards the Russians involved. The Russian government obviously wasn't very pleased with it, but I doubt the EU were either (it portrays neither state in a good light). The way America treats Russia (in TV, movies and the media, where it's the bogeyman du jour), on the other hand, is vastly different and arguably quite russophobic.
- gdy 8y agoWell, I must admit I stopped watching it after several episodes, perhaps I should get back to it.
- afarrell 8y agoNo, saying that it lacks verisimilitude. When fiction’s plot prevents you from suspending disbelief, it makes it hard to take it seriously as a comment on reality. Magic is fine. People should act the way that people act.
- tomohawk 8y agoIt's realistic. Just ask the Baltic states (invaded, colonized), Finland, Austria, Poland, Czeckoslovakia, Georgia, Ukraine, Afganistan. I'm sure I'm leaving out a few. Or, just compare the German experience to occupation by US/UK/France on the one side and Soviet Union on the other.
- afarrell 8y agoThe possibility of an invasion of someone isn’t unrealistic by a Russia, but an invasion of Norway specifically not particularly realistic by the Russia of our timeline. For one, Finland and NATO-member Norway would have much stronger backing by the western allies than they did in 1939. For another, nuclear states would have to give up MAD in favor of Mankind Absolutely Rejects Nuclear Explosives.
- gdy 8y agoYou must be American, right?
- Rexxar 8y agoNot so absurd if a coalition of far right governments come to power in Europe. There are already Italy, Poland, Hungary. Add France/Germany/Spain/Netherlands to the mix and what we get is 100% unpredictable.
- btrettel 8y agoMy post was not an endorsement of everything in the show. I agree that the particulars of the scenario make no sense for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I would find some sort of generic EU occupying force much more convincing, but only if they made it clear that Russia was unable to increase oil production or something like that. I only wanted to highlight the question of whether stopping oil production could lead to war. Sorry, I should have made that clear.
- gdy 8y agoThat's a good point, I'm sorry my comment was too agressive
- rb808 8y agoActually that leads to an interesting idea. If they have a huge sovereign wealth fund, if Russia invades do they get to keep the money?
- village-idiot 8y agoMore interesting to me is that a hypothetical Russian invasion would have to go through Finland first, and those two have some history...
- btrettel 8y agoThere's a border between Norway and Russia, and it's much larger than I expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93Russia_border https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93Russia_border
- village-idiot 8y agoWell, maybe the Russians would hypothetically go that way. Hopefully the world has learned it’s lesson about tangling with the Finns.
- vinni2 8y agoAn invasion of Norway a NATO country would mean another world war!