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The mistake you made was allowing posts at all on Reddit. You should have changed the CSS to point people at lifeprotips.com, and just created submissions for

The mistake you made was allowing posts at all on Reddit. You should have changed the CSS to point people at lifeprotips.com, and just created submissions for posts on lifeprotips.com.

TeMPOraL 8y ago
The mistake was thinking they owned a community. They may have started it, but once grown, the community is its own thing. A successful migration to an external website would require a wide buy-in from the prominent community members, and cannot be done by fiat by whoever technically controls the means of discussion.
- diminoten 8y ago
  Reddit communities aren't the same as in person social communities, they don't have any real structure beyond the moderation class. The "buy in" you're talking about is the fact that this site was built. I don't think this will "succeed", but not because of anything related to migration; it's just not that good of an idea, from a business standpoint. If they redefine success as something other than growth and user retention, maybe they can create a fake kind of success, but this site will not grow users or any of the things a normal startup looks for when launching a product, and the monetization will never be worth anything of value, but simply because the idea isn't that great.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    Disagree thoroughly. WRT. communities - no, there really is more to it than "moderation class", just like there's more to HN than pg, dang and sctb. Regular submitters, regular commenters and people voting are what creates a community, what makes visitors go there, what makes one subreddit better than another on the same topic. They're the soul of a subreddit. Despite what the subreddit creator or moderators want, nothing can prevent those regulars from deciding to stay, or to move elsewhere. 'fourstar built a site and wanted to migrate the community by fiat, but people didn't move, and instead reported him. > it's just not that good of an idea, from a business standpoint. If they redefine success as something other than growth and user retention, maybe they can create a fake kind of success, but this site will not grow users or any of the things a normal startup looks for when launching a product (...) Here is a thing: nobody in the community cares. The regular posters, commenters and voters don't care about "growth and user retention" beyond "people like it in here". Lurkers and irregular visitors don't care about it either, they're interested in actual content the community curates. Communities like subreddits exist so that people with like interest can exchange thoughts and media about those interests together. That somebody monetizes them indirectly through ads is an artifact of hosted platforms, but nobody will be willing to abandon a perfectly good one just because someone related to the community wants to take this money for themselves instead. Imagine this: a guy got together some people and started organizing regular open poetry evenings in a coffee shop in the center of a city. The event became successful, grew quite an audience; the coffee shop wanted it there (as it drove foot traffic), so it kind of kept organizing itself. Fast forward couple years, the original organizer suddenly announces that from now on, the meetings will take place in a coffee shop he just opened on the outskirts. How do you think the regular guests and performers would react? I imagine they'd laugh the guy out of a room - it's ridiculous to leave a perfectly good meeting place and move to the middle of nowhere just because one person really really wants to make money off them. I imagine if the guy was telling the guests to go elsewhere next time, the coffee shop itself would step in and kick the guy out.
    - diminoten 8y ago
      Reddit and HN are entirely unrelated, and any sense of community that you think exists in a subreddit is your own perception, not reality. Sorry, it just isn't there, because the platform doesn't allow for it.
      - TeMPOraL 8y ago
        My personal experience strongly disagree with yours. Not every subreddit develops a community where people recognize each other, but many do. Or, as you say, I'm imagining it. Regardless, my argument still holds. Whatever semblance of community there is, it's obvious it won't appreciate someone disrupting it in order to make a buck.
        diminoten 8y ago
        Sorry, you're completely imagining it, and no your argument doesn't hold. Also, I hate to break it to you, but Reddit is making more than a buck on your little "community". Nothing whatsoever is different or special about Reddit vs. this website. You're not part of anything, you're not building anything, the people you think of as "friends" on Reddit aren't, and you need to realize that. That site isn't for what you think it's for.

The mistake you made was allowing posts at all on Reddit. You should have changed the CSS to point people at lifeprotips.com, and just created submissions for posts on lifeprotips.com.

TeMPOraL 8y ago

The mistake was thinking they owned a community. They may have started it, but once grown, the community is its own thing. A successful migration to an external website would require a wide buy-in from the prominent community members, and cannot be done by fiat by whoever technically controls the means of discussion.

diminoten 8y ago
Reddit communities aren't the same as in person social communities, they don't have any real structure beyond the moderation class. The "buy in" you're talking about is the fact that this site was built. I don't think this will "succeed", but not because of anything related to migration; it's just not that good of an idea, from a business standpoint. If they redefine success as something other than growth and user retention, maybe they can create a fake kind of success, but this site will not grow users or any of the things a normal startup looks for when launching a product, and the monetization will never be worth anything of value, but simply because the idea isn't that great.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  Disagree thoroughly. WRT. communities - no, there really is more to it than "moderation class", just like there's more to HN than pg, dang and sctb. Regular submitters, regular commenters and people voting are what creates a community, what makes visitors go there, what makes one subreddit better than another on the same topic. They're the soul of a subreddit. Despite what the subreddit creator or moderators want, nothing can prevent those regulars from deciding to stay, or to move elsewhere. 'fourstar built a site and wanted to migrate the community by fiat, but people didn't move, and instead reported him. > it's just not that good of an idea, from a business standpoint. If they redefine success as something other than growth and user retention, maybe they can create a fake kind of success, but this site will not grow users or any of the things a normal startup looks for when launching a product (...) Here is a thing: nobody in the community cares. The regular posters, commenters and voters don't care about "growth and user retention" beyond "people like it in here". Lurkers and irregular visitors don't care about it either, they're interested in actual content the community curates. Communities like subreddits exist so that people with like interest can exchange thoughts and media about those interests together. That somebody monetizes them indirectly through ads is an artifact of hosted platforms, but nobody will be willing to abandon a perfectly good one just because someone related to the community wants to take this money for themselves instead. Imagine this: a guy got together some people and started organizing regular open poetry evenings in a coffee shop in the center of a city. The event became successful, grew quite an audience; the coffee shop wanted it there (as it drove foot traffic), so it kind of kept organizing itself. Fast forward couple years, the original organizer suddenly announces that from now on, the meetings will take place in a coffee shop he just opened on the outskirts. How do you think the regular guests and performers would react? I imagine they'd laugh the guy out of a room - it's ridiculous to leave a perfectly good meeting place and move to the middle of nowhere just because one person really really wants to make money off them. I imagine if the guy was telling the guests to go elsewhere next time, the coffee shop itself would step in and kick the guy out.
  - diminoten 8y ago
    Reddit and HN are entirely unrelated, and any sense of community that you think exists in a subreddit is your own perception, not reality. Sorry, it just isn't there, because the platform doesn't allow for it.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      My personal experience strongly disagree with yours. Not every subreddit develops a community where people recognize each other, but many do. Or, as you say, I'm imagining it. Regardless, my argument still holds. Whatever semblance of community there is, it's obvious it won't appreciate someone disrupting it in order to make a buck.
      - diminoten 8y ago
        Sorry, you're completely imagining it, and no your argument doesn't hold. Also, I hate to break it to you, but Reddit is making more than a buck on your little "community". Nothing whatsoever is different or special about Reddit vs. this website. You're not part of anything, you're not building anything, the people you think of as "friends" on Reddit aren't, and you need to realize that. That site isn't for what you think it's for.