> There is no way you are going to convince voters that they need to cut their energy usage Indeed. Thus the question is what undemocratic institutions, can we

> There is no way you are going to convince voters that they need to cut their energy usage Indeed. Thus the question is what undemocratic institutions, can we use? Can we put in treaties that reduce national sovereignty like the TPP? Can we make it a second order or third order effect of regulations on how insurance works so that most people can't follow the chain back to the source?