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As I tried to point out in another thread, the WHO, AMA, AHA, etc in 2005 designated alcohol as the next target to reduce disease. Those 3-letter acronyms are f

As I tried to point out in another thread, the WHO, AMA, AHA, etc in 2005 designated alcohol as the next target to reduce disease. Those 3-letter acronyms are funding majority negative alcohol effect study as it agrees with their literal ‘global agenda’. That’s why researchers are producing negative alcohol effect studies and why they are so popular. Researchers want to get published. It’s also clear that much of the work is meta study or simple questionnaire. In other words, much of the new negative alcohol publications aren’t based on actual science. See? No tin-foil hats required As for this study... > Between April 1993 and December 1998, 63 257 individuals completed an in-person interview that included questions on usual diet, demographics, height and weight, use of tobacco, usual physical activity, menstrual and reproductive history (women only), medical history, and family history of cancer. The institutional review boards at the National University of Singapore and the University of Minnesota approved this study. They asked people a bunch of questions about their behavior and “usual diet” in actuality exact diet would be a more accurate indicator of disease precursors... diet controls so much of everyone’s lives and deaths more than any other modern daily life input. Unless they are consuming large amounts of alcohol aka heavy drinkers. Source study: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/circulationaha.111.048843 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/circulationaha....

k__ 8y ago
Are there any substances that have a similar effect as alcohol, but are more healthy?
- iMark 8y ago
  It’s being worked on https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/alcohol-hangover-liver-damage-alcosynth-david-nutt-a8841141.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/alco...
- tempguy9999 8y ago
  I've tried diethyl ether <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_ether#Recreational_use> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_ether#Recreational_use... recreationally. It is interesting (the metacognition part) but not very pleasant (the vapour is odourous and actually painful on your nose/lungs if huffed), and difficult to swallow if ingested. Also you stink for hours afterwards. And it's dangerously flammable. As always, when I try something new I do a lot of reading up first to suss the risks, and one article I came across claimed that it was less harmful than alcohol. I don't know if that's true, just reporting. Read up erowid experiences first if you do try it. And if you do, don't be fucking stupid - I get tired of the way people so easily abuse any drug, even alcohol. Perhaps especially alcohol. I can't particularly recommend it. FYI anyway. edit: formatting
  - k__ 8y ago
    lol, is this the stuff they take in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" when they see the crocodiles?
    - tempguy9999 8y ago
      Umm, I doubt it. I mentioned ether in response to the question about alcohol, and didn't make it clear that my point was the effect is similar to alcohol (though not quite the same - you retain some clarity and you don't get hungry afterwards). You're no more likely to hallucinate on one any more than the other IME. I guess it's acid or mescaline instead. I understand that F&LiLV tended to big up (or even invent) the drugs' effects (bullshit about adrenochrome? "In the DVD commentary, director Terry Gilliam admits that his and Thompson's portrayal is a fictional exaggeration" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenochrome> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenochrome>). Ether just gets you pissed a bit like booze, that's all. Oh, here we go “The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. And I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon [...]” <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/320840-the-only-thing-that-really-worried-me-was-the-ether> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/320840-the-only-thing-that-... yep, that strikes me as bullshit.
    - WalterSear 8y ago
      No it's the stuff they take when they are falling all over the indoor carnival ride.
      - tempguy9999 8y ago
        Found a clip of that part from that info (thanks!) Can confirm it's undiluted crap. That's one film definitely off my list now.
theNJR 8y ago
What is this literal global agenda? I love a good weekend drink as much as the next person but it’s very obvious that alcohol is literal poison and best to be avoided. That conclusion doesn’t require a bunch of health organizations to conspire.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >What is this literal global agenda? It's basically "some bureaucrats want to secure funds for their agencies and have some global mission to justify them, so they invent new targets when the previous ones have dragged too long, so like the "war on drugs", "war on fat", etc. before, you now have more "war on alcohol", etc. And since those control a lot of money, and public policy, they get to decide where grants go, and you get to up your chances of a career if you go along. Plus all the private interests that can be attached to that (e.g. selling non-alcoholic versions of beverages, etc). >but it’s very obvious that alcohol is literal poison and best to be avoided No, it's not "very obvious" at all. It's just the residuals of the tee-totaling puritanical view of alcohol ("it must be bad!"), or considering alcoholics at the canonical example of what happens when you consume alcohol (and not e.g. the blue zone diets, where people live more than anybody else on the planet on average, and still regularly consume alcohol). In other words, it's as obvious as "fat makes us fat". Science is not about accepting some "obvious", it's about investigating what's actually the case. And there's the historical perspective: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/09/3-questions-patrick-mcgovern/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/09/3-questi... Or: To our fruit-eating primate ancestors swinging through the trees, however, the ethanol in rotting fruit would have had three other appealing characteristics. First, it has a strong, distinctive smell that makes the fruit easy to locate. Second, it’s easier to digest, allowing animals to get more of a commodity that was precious back then: calories. Third, its antiseptic qualities repel microbes that might sicken a primate. Millions of years ago one of them developed a taste for fruit that had fallen from the tree. “Our ape ancestors started eating fermented fruits on the forest floor, and that made all the difference,” says Nathaniel Dominy, a biological anthropologist at Dartmouth College. “We’re preadapted for consuming alcohol.”
  - theNJR 8y ago
nabla9 8y ago
There is nothing wrong with those acronyms. In fact studies that promote moderate alcohol consumptions as healthy are more suspect if you want to take the sponsorship angle. Moderatee alcohol use can have small benefits on certain diseases, but overall mortality seems have no such connection.

k__ 8y ago

Are there any substances that have a similar effect as alcohol, but are more healthy?

iMark 8y ago
It’s being worked on https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/alcohol-hangover-liver-damage-alcosynth-david-nutt-a8841141.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/alco...
tempguy9999 8y ago
I've tried diethyl ether <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_ether#Recreational_use> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_ether#Recreational_use... recreationally. It is interesting (the metacognition part) but not very pleasant (the vapour is odourous and actually painful on your nose/lungs if huffed), and difficult to swallow if ingested. Also you stink for hours afterwards. And it's dangerously flammable. As always, when I try something new I do a lot of reading up first to suss the risks, and one article I came across claimed that it was less harmful than alcohol. I don't know if that's true, just reporting. Read up erowid experiences first if you do try it. And if you do, don't be fucking stupid - I get tired of the way people so easily abuse any drug, even alcohol. Perhaps especially alcohol. I can't particularly recommend it. FYI anyway. edit: formatting
- k__ 8y ago
  lol, is this the stuff they take in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" when they see the crocodiles?
  - tempguy9999 8y ago
    Umm, I doubt it. I mentioned ether in response to the question about alcohol, and didn't make it clear that my point was the effect is similar to alcohol (though not quite the same - you retain some clarity and you don't get hungry afterwards). You're no more likely to hallucinate on one any more than the other IME. I guess it's acid or mescaline instead. I understand that F&LiLV tended to big up (or even invent) the drugs' effects (bullshit about adrenochrome? "In the DVD commentary, director Terry Gilliam admits that his and Thompson's portrayal is a fictional exaggeration" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenochrome> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenochrome>). Ether just gets you pissed a bit like booze, that's all. Oh, here we go “The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. And I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon [...]” <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/320840-the-only-thing-that-really-worried-me-was-the-ether> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/320840-the-only-thing-that-... yep, that strikes me as bullshit.
  - WalterSear 8y ago
    No it's the stuff they take when they are falling all over the indoor carnival ride.
    - tempguy9999 8y ago
      Found a clip of that part from that info (thanks!) Can confirm it's undiluted crap. That's one film definitely off my list now.

theNJR 8y ago

What is this literal global agenda? I love a good weekend drink as much as the next person but it’s very obvious that alcohol is literal poison and best to be avoided. That conclusion doesn’t require a bunch of health organizations to conspire.

coldtea 8y ago
>What is this literal global agenda? It's basically "some bureaucrats want to secure funds for their agencies and have some global mission to justify them, so they invent new targets when the previous ones have dragged too long, so like the "war on drugs", "war on fat", etc. before, you now have more "war on alcohol", etc. And since those control a lot of money, and public policy, they get to decide where grants go, and you get to up your chances of a career if you go along. Plus all the private interests that can be attached to that (e.g. selling non-alcoholic versions of beverages, etc). >but it’s very obvious that alcohol is literal poison and best to be avoided No, it's not "very obvious" at all. It's just the residuals of the tee-totaling puritanical view of alcohol ("it must be bad!"), or considering alcoholics at the canonical example of what happens when you consume alcohol (and not e.g. the blue zone diets, where people live more than anybody else on the planet on average, and still regularly consume alcohol). In other words, it's as obvious as "fat makes us fat". Science is not about accepting some "obvious", it's about investigating what's actually the case. And there's the historical perspective: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/09/3-questions-patrick-mcgovern/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/09/3-questi... Or: To our fruit-eating primate ancestors swinging through the trees, however, the ethanol in rotting fruit would have had three other appealing characteristics. First, it has a strong, distinctive smell that makes the fruit easy to locate. Second, it’s easier to digest, allowing animals to get more of a commodity that was precious back then: calories. Third, its antiseptic qualities repel microbes that might sicken a primate. Millions of years ago one of them developed a taste for fruit that had fallen from the tree. “Our ape ancestors started eating fermented fruits on the forest floor, and that made all the difference,” says Nathaniel Dominy, a biological anthropologist at Dartmouth College. “We’re preadapted for consuming alcohol.”
- theNJR 8y ago

nabla9 8y ago

There is nothing wrong with those acronyms. In fact studies that promote moderate alcohol consumptions as healthy are more suspect if you want to take the sponsorship angle. Moderatee alcohol use can have small benefits on certain diseases, but overall mortality seems have no such connection.