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I won't recommend Xiaomi to anyone I like, and the demise of Samsung phones in China is more "emotionally" driven, yes Samsung phones are expensive, but so do O

I won't recommend Xiaomi to anyone I like, and the demise of Samsung phones in China is more "emotionally" driven, yes Samsung phones are expensive, but so do Oppo and Vivo. They are more out-marketed than "out-tech-ed".

axaxs 8y ago
I'm not anti Samsung, and having used Xiaomi, definitely not pro for them. That said, it's hard to deny the value they offer. In the premium market, Huawei is lapping them. Samsung used to vie for best camera. Now they're with Apple in lagging far behind the Pixel and P series.
- AFascistWorld 8y ago
  Like I said, Huawei is great at marketing at least in China, their patriotism marketing has been so successful there. >In the premium market, Huawei is lapping them Where? In China? My personal opinion is when you dive deep, Huawei is more about marketing hype than substance. The tri-camera is Israel tech, they rely on Samsung for memory chip and OLED, things like their battery life achieved by furiously killing background apps might spur outcry elsewhere. I think this is also where Amazon is leading the future to：Those who market the best win.
  - sanxiyn 8y ago
    Huawei has a lot of substance. Huawei has its own 4G and 5G modem for example. Apple still does not, and is struggling.
  - tanilama 8y ago
    > their patriotism marketing has been so successful there If your goes to r/Android, Huawei is at least as popular as Samsung, and even more of a topic maker. And that has been the case for sometime now. I have a Samsung S10E, but that is because I can't own a Huawei in US, for there is no customer support here. TBH, S10 is the best phone Samsung has made in THREE years and I am quite happy with it. The past gens of Galaxies, are good but boring yet expensive. Huawei is as expensive, but they somehow find a way to excite the consumer base with, what I would call, useful gimmicks, like 6 cameras stuff. Oppo/Vivo (BBK and its subsidiaries) does the same, but more from the 'hide-the-front-camera' mechanics side. It doesn't matter where the tech is coming from, Israel doesn't make their phones, what matters is here is to come up with a complete package that people would pay for it. So it isn't really controversial to say the Chinese makes the best Android phone in the world today. It is just funny those those phones are nowhere to be found in US.
    - AFascistWorld 8y ago
      "Best" is subjective, r/Android might make you feel it's a big comunity, everyone should buy Android instead of Apple to avoid "being ripped-off" and not buying the best specs is stupid; but you should realize it's really just geek hobbists. I used to be one of them, constantly tweaking it, ROMs, root and flash, compile my own ROM, compare specs and eager to know what's new, but that's long ago, I've quit being a slave to my phone, I've realized I just need my phone to work when it needs to(like average people?), and I spend no more than 20 minutes per day on it now and never waste time on the phone itself. Average people don't know and won't understand specs, that's where brands like Oppo and Vivo thrive, they are good at marketing, hell if you go into deep China you will hear salesgirls peddling OPPO/VIVO as the best of the best in the world.
      - hnnmzh 8y ago
        "r/Android might make you feel it's a big comunity" Give you another example. I'm on the market for a new phone. I went to a local shop to get a feel of the latest offerings. While I was there, three groups of friends/couple/mother-and-son came to the shop and they all talked about Huawei. This is not in China btw.
  - hnnmzh 8y ago
    "The tri-camera is Israel tech, they rely on Samsung for memory chip and OLED" So what? Apple didn't make their own camera sensors. Apple didn't make their memory chips. Apple used Samsung's OLED too. And iPhones are great products. Of course, you can argue Huawei's software is lagging behind Apple, but where is Samsung standing?
robjan 8y ago
The high-end Xiaomis usually match the other flagship androids at half the price. My Mi5 S Plus has outlasted many of my friend's phones that were a lot more expensive. It cost just HK$3k (US$380).
- prolikewhoa 8y ago
  I've had zero issues with my Android One Xiaomi. Best value I've ever had in a phone for $169. Easily a better value than the $349 Nokia 7.1.
hnnmzh 8y ago
"demise of Samsung phones in China is more "emotionally" driven" Incorrect. Unable to compete and inadequate customer support are the reasons. Samsung used to have a big user base in China. But product offerings from local manufactures became much better. Design, software and quality wise, they suit the customers' needs better. Samsung's products are simply - "meh". In terms of customer support, Samsung treated Chinese customers like second class citizen. E.g. during the faulty emmc and fire-catching battery fiasco, they refused to offer the same level of customer service as they did in the US and Europe. When the first/second case of exploding battery surfaced, Samsung accused the owner putting his phone in a microwave to cause the battery to explode. Also Samsung adopts some dirty marketing tricks which is well known in China. They have been fined in Taiwan before. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/24/samsung-fined-taiwan-campaign-against-smartphone-htc https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/24/samsung-f... All the factors combined, caused their market share to plummet.

axaxs 8y ago

I'm not anti Samsung, and having used Xiaomi, definitely not pro for them. That said, it's hard to deny the value they offer. In the premium market, Huawei is lapping them. Samsung used to vie for best camera. Now they're with Apple in lagging far behind the Pixel and P series.

AFascistWorld 8y ago
Like I said, Huawei is great at marketing at least in China, their patriotism marketing has been so successful there. >In the premium market, Huawei is lapping them Where? In China? My personal opinion is when you dive deep, Huawei is more about marketing hype than substance. The tri-camera is Israel tech, they rely on Samsung for memory chip and OLED, things like their battery life achieved by furiously killing background apps might spur outcry elsewhere. I think this is also where Amazon is leading the future to：Those who market the best win.
- sanxiyn 8y ago
  Huawei has a lot of substance. Huawei has its own 4G and 5G modem for example. Apple still does not, and is struggling.
- tanilama 8y ago
  > their patriotism marketing has been so successful there If your goes to r/Android, Huawei is at least as popular as Samsung, and even more of a topic maker. And that has been the case for sometime now. I have a Samsung S10E, but that is because I can't own a Huawei in US, for there is no customer support here. TBH, S10 is the best phone Samsung has made in THREE years and I am quite happy with it. The past gens of Galaxies, are good but boring yet expensive. Huawei is as expensive, but they somehow find a way to excite the consumer base with, what I would call, useful gimmicks, like 6 cameras stuff. Oppo/Vivo (BBK and its subsidiaries) does the same, but more from the 'hide-the-front-camera' mechanics side. It doesn't matter where the tech is coming from, Israel doesn't make their phones, what matters is here is to come up with a complete package that people would pay for it. So it isn't really controversial to say the Chinese makes the best Android phone in the world today. It is just funny those those phones are nowhere to be found in US.
  - AFascistWorld 8y ago
    "Best" is subjective, r/Android might make you feel it's a big comunity, everyone should buy Android instead of Apple to avoid "being ripped-off" and not buying the best specs is stupid; but you should realize it's really just geek hobbists. I used to be one of them, constantly tweaking it, ROMs, root and flash, compile my own ROM, compare specs and eager to know what's new, but that's long ago, I've quit being a slave to my phone, I've realized I just need my phone to work when it needs to(like average people?), and I spend no more than 20 minutes per day on it now and never waste time on the phone itself. Average people don't know and won't understand specs, that's where brands like Oppo and Vivo thrive, they are good at marketing, hell if you go into deep China you will hear salesgirls peddling OPPO/VIVO as the best of the best in the world.
    - hnnmzh 8y ago
      "r/Android might make you feel it's a big comunity" Give you another example. I'm on the market for a new phone. I went to a local shop to get a feel of the latest offerings. While I was there, three groups of friends/couple/mother-and-son came to the shop and they all talked about Huawei. This is not in China btw.
- hnnmzh 8y ago
  "The tri-camera is Israel tech, they rely on Samsung for memory chip and OLED" So what? Apple didn't make their own camera sensors. Apple didn't make their memory chips. Apple used Samsung's OLED too. And iPhones are great products. Of course, you can argue Huawei's software is lagging behind Apple, but where is Samsung standing?

robjan 8y ago

The high-end Xiaomis usually match the other flagship androids at half the price. My Mi5 S Plus has outlasted many of my friend's phones that were a lot more expensive. It cost just HK$3k (US$380).

prolikewhoa 8y ago
I've had zero issues with my Android One Xiaomi. Best value I've ever had in a phone for $169. Easily a better value than the $349 Nokia 7.1.

hnnmzh 8y ago

"demise of Samsung phones in China is more "emotionally" driven" Incorrect. Unable to compete and inadequate customer support are the reasons. Samsung used to have a big user base in China. But product offerings from local manufactures became much better. Design, software and quality wise, they suit the customers' needs better. Samsung's products are simply - "meh". In terms of customer support, Samsung treated Chinese customers like second class citizen. E.g. during the faulty emmc and fire-catching battery fiasco, they refused to offer the same level of customer service as they did in the US and Europe. When the first/second case of exploding battery surfaced, Samsung accused the owner putting his phone in a microwave to cause the battery to explode. Also Samsung adopts some dirty marketing tricks which is well known in China. They have been fined in Taiwan before. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/24/samsung-fined-taiwan-campaign-against-smartphone-htc https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/24/samsung-f... All the factors combined, caused their market share to plummet.