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People say you should experience everything when you are young. I would argue that those same people need to keep their mouths shut. Drugs, especially anything

People say you should experience everything when you are young. I would argue that those same people need to keep their mouths shut. Drugs, especially anything related to meth is not what you want to have as an experience in life. It's a bleak path to follow and unless a divine miracle happens to you, getting out is going to be very hard. In fact, many of my friends kept grinding it long after I had quit and changed up my life entirely. For reference; I was addicted on a weekend-basis that sometimes turned into 3-4 day parties. This went on for 3 years at most maybe.

hguhghuff 8y ago
Do you feel meth was something that someone said you “should try”, or was it something you chose to do? Do you think anything anyone had said to you might have prevented you trying it? I’d like to know the words that might stop kids even giving a try once.
- skilled 8y ago
  It was social pressure, and I was pretty much the last person to do it in my immediate circle of friends at that time. Down the line what helped me the most was advice from grown ups that I had a lot of respect for. It just felt different when someone was saying you have to stop and those people didn't necessarily have a way to know other than to look at you.
- nicoburns 8y ago
  > I’d like to know the words that might stop kids even giving a try once. Just be honest about the risks of different drugs, rather than making a big deal out of drugs like cannabis or mdma that are not particularly harmful (and that there's a good chance they will know are not particularly harmful because all their friends are taking them). Kids will listen to you because they respect your opinion, not because you say particular words. So make sure that your opinion is worthy of respect, and matches up with their experiences.
- empath75 8y ago
  Here’s the thing about meth and most other recreational drugs. The fun part is immediate. The bad part is subtle and can take years to be a problem if it ever does. If you lie to kids about what drugs are like, they’ll never believe anything you say about them. The reality is that drugs a lot of fun and can improve your life in the short term. People wouldn’t use them if they didn’t. It’s not like you use meth and start looking for black helicopters out your window and you’re horribly dependent. You’re likely to have a great weekend listening to music with cool people and staying up all night talking and then you feel fine in the morning. Drug dealers are not dangerous criminals and people that use drugs can be really fun to hang out with. The thing is that gradually it gets less and less fun and most people just quit on their own. It’s only a small percentage that get hooked on any of these drugs (other than opiates) and most of them have extensive psychological and personal problems. Most people with happy childhoods and stable relationships don’t become junkies. Almost everybody I knew in the rave scene who became out of control addicts had histories of abuse and neglect from alcoholic or addict parents. What it comes down to is this: don’t be an addict, model good behavior, love your kids, be honest with them, pay attention to them, don’t traumatize them with abuse, and it’s very unlikely they’re going to become addicts, even if they fall in with ‘the wrong crowd’.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
    Almost everybody I knew in the rave scene who became out of control addicts had histories of abuse and neglect from alcoholic or addict parents. It is concerning that these people have easy access to substances that cause further difficulties. I'd argue that these people are self medicating in a way that turns out to be a net negative. I'm not entirely convinced I understand what should be done about any particular circumstance where someone(s) from an abusive background find themselves surrounded by meth users and then become a user themselves.
    - empath75 8y ago
      I think investing money in social services and education and early intervention for kids who are the victims of neglect and trauma and maybe treating addiction like the medical problem it is instead of a criminal problem, so people can get treatment without social stigma.
- tuesdayrain 8y ago
  I never used meth, but I did a lot of weed and adderall at one point which decreased my quality of life by a significant extent. I think my initial outlook on drugs was shaped by everyone telling me how terrible they are, with almost no explanation why (just drugs are bad mmkay). Eventually I tried weed and found that it made me feel amazing, relaxed, and deeply inspired. At that point it felt like I was lied to and that all drugs are perfectly fine as long as you do them responsibly. What I didn't realize is that doing them responsibly is unbelievably hard and it's really just borrowing happiness from the future. I think I might have avoided them altogether if someone had told me "never do drugs because you'll love them so much that nothing else will be nearly as good in comparison. The things you previously enjoyed will become utterly boring unless you're high". I think it was mostly the adderall that caused that. I'm a month into quitting it all cold turkey and I still feel bored with everything. I'm hoping I just need to wait longer to restore my neurotransmitters because otherwise I completely ruined my life.
lstodd 8y ago
read up then try. and by reading up I mean get a basic understanding of neurochemistry, history of psychoactives and etheogens, how they devovled into vile substances like crack and meth and synth cannabinoids, bow thrice to Shulgin. and then try. at this point there would not be any unexpected detrimental effects. I'm not sure even how this advice differs from a plain 'teach your kids to think' /
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dangban 8y ago
Free feel to answer any of these: - what helped you break the addiction (but your friends didn't have)? - demographics? (age when started, location, socio-economic class, race, etc.?) - what % of US school-kids do you think will try Meth?
- skilled 8y ago
  I said divine miracle in my initial reply for a reason. I experienced what is known as OBE or Out of Body Experience while laying down on the floor, high off of my senses. I never did any drugs after this apart from a smoking habit I had to break. So, to summarise, that was 3 years worth of addiction resolved in one evening. Over the years I have understood the experience more, but not something I want to share at this time as I would like to include that in my book.
  - jamescostian 8y ago
    Was that your first hallucination? Sorry if it's too personal, I'm just curious because I thought hallucinations were more common for meth users.
    - skilled 8y ago
      Don't worry, it wasn't a hallucination. ;)
      - SirHound 8y ago
        Yes the functionality of eyeballs was instead proven a meaningless evolutionary sidestory
        skilled 8y ago
        It's not like I was sharing my experience and thinking at the back of my mind, "Oh boy! HN will love this hocus pocus talk!". Does that make sense? Because otherwise, you're calling me an idiot/someone incapable of sharing his experience. And that's not nice, is it?
mrslave 8y ago
I really respect your honesty. Many of us are not brave enough to share these kinds of serious life mistakes. Additionally, this is especially important when people formerly advocated something they later realize is wrong. In these cases I believe they have an obligation to correct the record.
xkcd-sucks 8y ago
Eh, it's a case by case basis. I'm currently prescribed d-amp, I've put a whole bunch of scary opioids through my body for fun, and have used pretty much everything else under the sun more than a few times. I'm also pretty cognizant of "addiction logic" -- Especially when I'm doing something bad, rationalizing it, feeling worthless, and recognizing my own bullshit all simultaneously. In terms of "addictions" aka "inappropriately falling in love", this a log scale ranking of how much unhappiness they've caused from high to low: - Internet news / information, including this website has a worse effect on my life than anything else. I can't get anything done right now, but if I were on dope I would still be doing something productive simultaneously. My internet usage can get to the point of refreshing the same 10 webpages for an hour, etc. No acutely deadly potential, but it happens literally all day. - Video games. More so when I was younger. You can imagine. - "Working" -- Has led to loss of friends, relationships, health, personal growth and making money!! Just like sex, this is not about all work but about inappropriate patterns of work. - Certain types of sex and romance, e.g. the type where one doesn't want to see the person again or ever be seen with them in public. Mostly just lost sleep and self-worth, but very often. - Stimulants -- Sleeping, relaxing, and zoning out are really nice, much nicer than being on speed all the time. But they enable the "working addiction" to a much unhealthier degree than it could get by itself. My "I must bang out a project over consecutive 100-hour days until it's complete to my standards" is the equivalent of your "parties that turned into a week", kind of. Less bad than low quality sex because it's less frequent. Changes in my work habits could make it worse, though. - Heroin et al -- Pooping, eating, sleeping, having sex are really nice. Being on dope all the time, or even a lot of the time, isn't nearly as nice. On the other hand it has been very attractive to me in times of romantic upheaval due to the no sex drive thing, but it's more "luxuriating in depression" and sex eventually regains its old place in the desire hierarchy. - Other drugs -- Not really on the list. Sometimes I will use them but it is always kind of a chore. Having some experience with "addiction to hard drugs" is nice because it provides a model system for the less clear-cut types of addiction. However, there seems to be an inflection point at which the pros of a balanced life no longer outweigh the cons of an addicted life and it can be tricky to learn how to navigate around that point. Most people I know who love drugs in moderation have always been doing pretty well for themselves in a material sense, anyway. Finally, to fill out the list, here are a few other addictions that have totally wrecked the lives of people I know, but which pose no danger to "normal people". - Gambling - Exercising - "Controlling" one's own diet and physical appearence - Feeling anger - Going fast in cars and motorcycles
rjbwork 8y ago
I took amphetamines for a decade. Adderall. Just legalize, give people a clean and pure supply. Then the only side effects are due to the drug not all the issues around it like the low quality chemical ridden bullshit street quality bathtub stuff.
- Mirioron 8y ago
  People with ADHD are expected to take those drugs for life. If that's doable then I really don't understand why it's criminalized so heavily.
  - grosswait 8y ago
    My understanding is that prescription level doesn't even come close to the experience of a meth high due to much lower equivalent dosage.
  - Spooky23 8y ago
    They are dangerous drugs with serious side effects like cardiac damage. There’s a book called Blitzed that talks about the mass abuse of amphetamines in WW2 Germany.
    - betterunix2 8y ago
      The argument is not that the drugs have no side effects or that there are not serious side effects. It is that black market drugs come with all of those side effects plus many more negative effects due to the lack of quality control and unreliable supply chains.
      - Spooky23 8y ago
        I think the argument works for marijuana, and but not for these other drugs. Getting a script for meth or heroin isn’t a good idea. Decriminalization to allow people to get help may be a way to help address some of the issues.
noidea_ 8y ago
> People say you should experience everything when you are young Literally no one says this
rnd0 8y ago
My experience was different, and I disagree with the statement that trying things is always bad. I tried coke, heroin and meth once each. Coke was a huge let down, and I've had no interest in trying that again. Meth, on the other hand -was eye-opening. I knew from my experience that if I did it again, I would end up overdosing on it very quickly -so I never did. I'm far from a health nut or religious freak. I drank like a fish for decades, did pot, did LSD. Booze was hard enough (pot and LSD both reached a point where they were no longer fun, so I no longer did them) to quit, I'm glad that was the only thing that stuck. So yeah ...I'm glad -and lucky, that I had the experiences with the hard stuff that I had. When meth got common it held zero temptation for me, ditto for coke and heroin. It helps that I have always been poor as dirt and knew that I wouldn't be able to have regular access to any of that, either.
- hello_tyler 8y ago
  You're also smart and disciplined, key ingredients that most drug addicts are missing. Meth is absolutely terrible, no arguments there, but what ever happened to personal liberty ? I don't need the government telling me what to do... (that made it sound like I use meth, I do not.)
- caprese 8y ago
  People that are addicted to things replace one addiction with another. These replacements don't have to be drugs. You don't have that attribute, from what you described, and that's all there is to it.
- 01100011 8y ago
  The problem is that you don't know if you're going to find the thing you want to die with until you try it, and then it's too late. Some people really should never try street drugs. Unfortunately there's not a good way to know besides trying them.
mercer 8y ago
I do agree that 'experiencing everything' is bad advice. That said, I think arguing abstinence with something as vague and broad as 'drugs' can and often does backfire in the same way it does with something as vague and broad as 'sex'. I've known more than a few people who, having been taught to abstain from both (the former in general, the latter until marriage), ended up engaging with both in an extremely irresponsible way and with unpleasant consequences. Learning how to responsibly engage in different kinds of 'sexual activity' makes it easier, not harder, to prevent something like unwanted pregnancy. I'd say it's the same with drugs. That said, I can understand where you're coming from and it's also good for people to hear stern warnings at times. Even in my surroundings, where 'drugs' are pretty normalized, their status is still enough in the area of prohibition that erring on the side of not partaking might be the better approach.
tluyben2 8y ago
My parents told me to try what I wanted but to do it in a controlled environment and after reading or talking about it with people who already did it. That made me try things some things (mostly once because I did not like it), but never heroine or meth for instance because I read up on it and talked with addicts (who at that time lived on the streets but since have disappeared?) and they told me that it is like 1000 orgasms but after that like living hell. The latter scared me enough to never try. This is over 25 years ago and the only thing I would do again are shrooms (which are legal here).
- beagle3 8y ago
  Where is “here”?
  - tluyben2 8y ago
    Netherlands
TausAmmer 8y ago
I do want to try a lot of drugs, but legal system does not allow me to do it easily :/ Your addictive broken personality is harming people who just like try thing.
bsder 8y ago
> People say you should experience everything when you are young. I would argue that those same people need to keep their mouths shut. The biggest problem I have with those promulgating experiences with these kinds of "high"/"low" drugs is that nobody can answer: "If it is every bit as awesome as you say it is, how does that improve my life?" I know more than few people who say: "Yeah, cocaine really is that awesome. I can't even hope to stop myself, so I simply cannot be around it." For those with a reason (like extreme physical pain), sure. But, to my mind, for normal people, there seems to be no upside to even trying a drug with that mechanism.
Nursie 8y ago
Common sense needs to be applied, you need to know what you're taking, what its safety and addiction profiles are, etc etc. I had some amazing times with MDMA, with LSD, with mushrooms, amphetamine, 2-C drugs, tryptamines and all sorts of other interesting things, wonderful experiences that created and deepened personal bonds, euphoric states I'd never have known otherwise. Yes there were one or two bad times, it's not 100% rosy. I never got addicted, and getting 'out' was trivial, and I don't believe my experience is unique or even that unusual. Meth, I never tried because I knew the risks. I really don't find talking about 'drugs' all that useful

hguhghuff 8y ago

Do you feel meth was something that someone said you “should try”, or was it something you chose to do? Do you think anything anyone had said to you might have prevented you trying it? I’d like to know the words that might stop kids even giving a try once.

skilled 8y ago
It was social pressure, and I was pretty much the last person to do it in my immediate circle of friends at that time. Down the line what helped me the most was advice from grown ups that I had a lot of respect for. It just felt different when someone was saying you have to stop and those people didn't necessarily have a way to know other than to look at you.
nicoburns 8y ago
> I’d like to know the words that might stop kids even giving a try once. Just be honest about the risks of different drugs, rather than making a big deal out of drugs like cannabis or mdma that are not particularly harmful (and that there's a good chance they will know are not particularly harmful because all their friends are taking them). Kids will listen to you because they respect your opinion, not because you say particular words. So make sure that your opinion is worthy of respect, and matches up with their experiences.
empath75 8y ago
Here’s the thing about meth and most other recreational drugs. The fun part is immediate. The bad part is subtle and can take years to be a problem if it ever does. If you lie to kids about what drugs are like, they’ll never believe anything you say about them. The reality is that drugs a lot of fun and can improve your life in the short term. People wouldn’t use them if they didn’t. It’s not like you use meth and start looking for black helicopters out your window and you’re horribly dependent. You’re likely to have a great weekend listening to music with cool people and staying up all night talking and then you feel fine in the morning. Drug dealers are not dangerous criminals and people that use drugs can be really fun to hang out with. The thing is that gradually it gets less and less fun and most people just quit on their own. It’s only a small percentage that get hooked on any of these drugs (other than opiates) and most of them have extensive psychological and personal problems. Most people with happy childhoods and stable relationships don’t become junkies. Almost everybody I knew in the rave scene who became out of control addicts had histories of abuse and neglect from alcoholic or addict parents. What it comes down to is this: don’t be an addict, model good behavior, love your kids, be honest with them, pay attention to them, don’t traumatize them with abuse, and it’s very unlikely they’re going to become addicts, even if they fall in with ‘the wrong crowd’.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  Almost everybody I knew in the rave scene who became out of control addicts had histories of abuse and neglect from alcoholic or addict parents. It is concerning that these people have easy access to substances that cause further difficulties. I'd argue that these people are self medicating in a way that turns out to be a net negative. I'm not entirely convinced I understand what should be done about any particular circumstance where someone(s) from an abusive background find themselves surrounded by meth users and then become a user themselves.
  - empath75 8y ago
    I think investing money in social services and education and early intervention for kids who are the victims of neglect and trauma and maybe treating addiction like the medical problem it is instead of a criminal problem, so people can get treatment without social stigma.
tuesdayrain 8y ago
I never used meth, but I did a lot of weed and adderall at one point which decreased my quality of life by a significant extent. I think my initial outlook on drugs was shaped by everyone telling me how terrible they are, with almost no explanation why (just drugs are bad mmkay). Eventually I tried weed and found that it made me feel amazing, relaxed, and deeply inspired. At that point it felt like I was lied to and that all drugs are perfectly fine as long as you do them responsibly. What I didn't realize is that doing them responsibly is unbelievably hard and it's really just borrowing happiness from the future. I think I might have avoided them altogether if someone had told me "never do drugs because you'll love them so much that nothing else will be nearly as good in comparison. The things you previously enjoyed will become utterly boring unless you're high". I think it was mostly the adderall that caused that. I'm a month into quitting it all cold turkey and I still feel bored with everything. I'm hoping I just need to wait longer to restore my neurotransmitters because otherwise I completely ruined my life.

lstodd 8y ago

read up then try. and by reading up I mean get a basic understanding of neurochemistry, history of psychoactives and etheogens, how they devovled into vile substances like crack and meth and synth cannabinoids, bow thrice to Shulgin. and then try. at this point there would not be any unexpected detrimental effects. I'm not sure even how this advice differs from a plain 'teach your kids to think' /

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dangban 8y ago

Free feel to answer any of these: - what helped you break the addiction (but your friends didn't have)? - demographics? (age when started, location, socio-economic class, race, etc.?) - what % of US school-kids do you think will try Meth?

skilled 8y ago
I said divine miracle in my initial reply for a reason. I experienced what is known as OBE or Out of Body Experience while laying down on the floor, high off of my senses. I never did any drugs after this apart from a smoking habit I had to break. So, to summarise, that was 3 years worth of addiction resolved in one evening. Over the years I have understood the experience more, but not something I want to share at this time as I would like to include that in my book.
- jamescostian 8y ago
  Was that your first hallucination? Sorry if it's too personal, I'm just curious because I thought hallucinations were more common for meth users.
  - skilled 8y ago
    Don't worry, it wasn't a hallucination. ;)
    - SirHound 8y ago
      Yes the functionality of eyeballs was instead proven a meaningless evolutionary sidestory
      - skilled 8y ago
        It's not like I was sharing my experience and thinking at the back of my mind, "Oh boy! HN will love this hocus pocus talk!". Does that make sense? Because otherwise, you're calling me an idiot/someone incapable of sharing his experience. And that's not nice, is it?

mrslave 8y ago

I really respect your honesty. Many of us are not brave enough to share these kinds of serious life mistakes. Additionally, this is especially important when people formerly advocated something they later realize is wrong. In these cases I believe they have an obligation to correct the record.

xkcd-sucks 8y ago

Eh, it's a case by case basis. I'm currently prescribed d-amp, I've put a whole bunch of scary opioids through my body for fun, and have used pretty much everything else under the sun more than a few times. I'm also pretty cognizant of "addiction logic" -- Especially when I'm doing something bad, rationalizing it, feeling worthless, and recognizing my own bullshit all simultaneously. In terms of "addictions" aka "inappropriately falling in love", this a log scale ranking of how much unhappiness they've caused from high to low: - Internet news / information, including this website has a worse effect on my life than anything else. I can't get anything done right now, but if I were on dope I would still be doing something productive simultaneously. My internet usage can get to the point of refreshing the same 10 webpages for an hour, etc. No acutely deadly potential, but it happens literally all day. - Video games. More so when I was younger. You can imagine. - "Working" -- Has led to loss of friends, relationships, health, personal growth and making money!! Just like sex, this is not about all work but about inappropriate patterns of work. - Certain types of sex and romance, e.g. the type where one doesn't want to see the person again or ever be seen with them in public. Mostly just lost sleep and self-worth, but very often. - Stimulants -- Sleeping, relaxing, and zoning out are really nice, much nicer than being on speed all the time. But they enable the "working addiction" to a much unhealthier degree than it could get by itself. My "I must bang out a project over consecutive 100-hour days until it's complete to my standards" is the equivalent of your "parties that turned into a week", kind of. Less bad than low quality sex because it's less frequent. Changes in my work habits could make it worse, though. - Heroin et al -- Pooping, eating, sleeping, having sex are really nice. Being on dope all the time, or even a lot of the time, isn't nearly as nice. On the other hand it has been very attractive to me in times of romantic upheaval due to the no sex drive thing, but it's more "luxuriating in depression" and sex eventually regains its old place in the desire hierarchy. - Other drugs -- Not really on the list. Sometimes I will use them but it is always kind of a chore. Having some experience with "addiction to hard drugs" is nice because it provides a model system for the less clear-cut types of addiction. However, there seems to be an inflection point at which the pros of a balanced life no longer outweigh the cons of an addicted life and it can be tricky to learn how to navigate around that point. Most people I know who love drugs in moderation have always been doing pretty well for themselves in a material sense, anyway. Finally, to fill out the list, here are a few other addictions that have totally wrecked the lives of people I know, but which pose no danger to "normal people". - Gambling - Exercising - "Controlling" one's own diet and physical appearence - Feeling anger - Going fast in cars and motorcycles

rjbwork 8y ago

I took amphetamines for a decade. Adderall. Just legalize, give people a clean and pure supply. Then the only side effects are due to the drug not all the issues around it like the low quality chemical ridden bullshit street quality bathtub stuff.

Mirioron 8y ago
People with ADHD are expected to take those drugs for life. If that's doable then I really don't understand why it's criminalized so heavily.
- grosswait 8y ago
  My understanding is that prescription level doesn't even come close to the experience of a meth high due to much lower equivalent dosage.
- Spooky23 8y ago
  They are dangerous drugs with serious side effects like cardiac damage. There’s a book called Blitzed that talks about the mass abuse of amphetamines in WW2 Germany.
  - betterunix2 8y ago
    The argument is not that the drugs have no side effects or that there are not serious side effects. It is that black market drugs come with all of those side effects plus many more negative effects due to the lack of quality control and unreliable supply chains.
    - Spooky23 8y ago
      I think the argument works for marijuana, and but not for these other drugs. Getting a script for meth or heroin isn’t a good idea. Decriminalization to allow people to get help may be a way to help address some of the issues.

noidea_ 8y ago

> People say you should experience everything when you are young Literally no one says this

rnd0 8y ago

My experience was different, and I disagree with the statement that trying things is always bad. I tried coke, heroin and meth once each. Coke was a huge let down, and I've had no interest in trying that again. Meth, on the other hand -was eye-opening. I knew from my experience that if I did it again, I would end up overdosing on it very quickly -so I never did. I'm far from a health nut or religious freak. I drank like a fish for decades, did pot, did LSD. Booze was hard enough (pot and LSD both reached a point where they were no longer fun, so I no longer did them) to quit, I'm glad that was the only thing that stuck. So yeah ...I'm glad -and lucky, that I had the experiences with the hard stuff that I had. When meth got common it held zero temptation for me, ditto for coke and heroin. It helps that I have always been poor as dirt and knew that I wouldn't be able to have regular access to any of that, either.

hello_tyler 8y ago
You're also smart and disciplined, key ingredients that most drug addicts are missing. Meth is absolutely terrible, no arguments there, but what ever happened to personal liberty ? I don't need the government telling me what to do... (that made it sound like I use meth, I do not.)
caprese 8y ago
People that are addicted to things replace one addiction with another. These replacements don't have to be drugs. You don't have that attribute, from what you described, and that's all there is to it.
01100011 8y ago
The problem is that you don't know if you're going to find the thing you want to die with until you try it, and then it's too late. Some people really should never try street drugs. Unfortunately there's not a good way to know besides trying them.

mercer 8y ago

I do agree that 'experiencing everything' is bad advice. That said, I think arguing abstinence with something as vague and broad as 'drugs' can and often does backfire in the same way it does with something as vague and broad as 'sex'. I've known more than a few people who, having been taught to abstain from both (the former in general, the latter until marriage), ended up engaging with both in an extremely irresponsible way and with unpleasant consequences. Learning how to responsibly engage in different kinds of 'sexual activity' makes it easier, not harder, to prevent something like unwanted pregnancy. I'd say it's the same with drugs. That said, I can understand where you're coming from and it's also good for people to hear stern warnings at times. Even in my surroundings, where 'drugs' are pretty normalized, their status is still enough in the area of prohibition that erring on the side of not partaking might be the better approach.

tluyben2 8y ago

My parents told me to try what I wanted but to do it in a controlled environment and after reading or talking about it with people who already did it. That made me try things some things (mostly once because I did not like it), but never heroine or meth for instance because I read up on it and talked with addicts (who at that time lived on the streets but since have disappeared?) and they told me that it is like 1000 orgasms but after that like living hell. The latter scared me enough to never try. This is over 25 years ago and the only thing I would do again are shrooms (which are legal here).

beagle3 8y ago
Where is “here”?
- tluyben2 8y ago
  Netherlands

TausAmmer 8y ago

I do want to try a lot of drugs, but legal system does not allow me to do it easily :/ Your addictive broken personality is harming people who just like try thing.

bsder 8y ago

> People say you should experience everything when you are young. I would argue that those same people need to keep their mouths shut. The biggest problem I have with those promulgating experiences with these kinds of "high"/"low" drugs is that nobody can answer: "If it is every bit as awesome as you say it is, how does that improve my life?" I know more than few people who say: "Yeah, cocaine really is that awesome. I can't even hope to stop myself, so I simply cannot be around it." For those with a reason (like extreme physical pain), sure. But, to my mind, for normal people, there seems to be no upside to even trying a drug with that mechanism.

Nursie 8y ago

Common sense needs to be applied, you need to know what you're taking, what its safety and addiction profiles are, etc etc. I had some amazing times with MDMA, with LSD, with mushrooms, amphetamine, 2-C drugs, tryptamines and all sorts of other interesting things, wonderful experiences that created and deepened personal bonds, euphoric states I'd never have known otherwise. Yes there were one or two bad times, it's not 100% rosy. I never got addicted, and getting 'out' was trivial, and I don't believe my experience is unique or even that unusual. Meth, I never tried because I knew the risks. I really don't find talking about 'drugs' all that useful