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The particular line to which I was responding: > Let's not forget that during the same times we were struggling with proving the Earth was circling around the

The particular line to which I was responding: > Let's not forget that during the same times we were struggling with proving the Earth was circling around the Sun because of what the scriptures said. That characterization is mostly false. The geo-centric model was neither adopted as a result of the Christian scriptures (it was inherited from the pagan Greeks) nor was it (primarily) defended for that reason. It was defended because there were solid reasons (given available information at the time) to hold the geo-centric view. Ptolemy being a pre-medieval pagan Greek was my point. I.e. the debate about cosmology wasn't primarily religiously motivated.

heavenlyblue 8y ago
>> neither adopted as a result of the Christian scriptures (it was inherited from the pagan Greeks) The geo-centric view comes from religions older than Greek culture which was then stolen by Christians. But it was as much a heresy (well, heresy is a Christian concept, but you know what I mean) to say that Earth is not center in the world in the _religions_ of ancient Greece as much as it was in _religions_ of Christianity. Thus my point still stands: the science behind anything is in direct confrontation with any religious teaching that ever existed. Thus religions should not exist.
- lliamander 8y ago
  I don't know what to tell you. I've already given a link to an essay describing the arguments that Christian scholars from medieval and renaissance times debating the issue. I could find others. Apparently it wasn't that much of a heresy.
  - heavenlyblue 8y ago
    Yeah, but Christian philosophy wasn’t (as against to theology) developed by Christians. They just copied most of Plato and then changed him to fit the narrative of their scriptures. While destroying anyone who was considered a heretic (eg the argument between Gnostics and Adoptionists). And heretics were simply people who believed in interpretations of the scriptures which were simply a hit off the official one. Doesn’t that seem so much like USSR?
    - scottlocklin 8y ago
      > Christian philosophy wasn’t (as against to theology) developed by Christians... Christian philosophy was, in fact, developed by Christians. Actually, Roman Catholicism was fairly tolerant towards heretics; there's this giant 2000 page book called "a history of the Spanish heterodox" which lists hundreds of interesting heresies which existed in the tiny country of Spain alone. The USSR, by contrast, liquidated more people in an average year than the entire Spanish inquisition did over centuries. Religious bigotry and pig ignorance isn't a good look. Preposterous statements about philosophical ideas being "stolen by the Christians" is on all fours with ... I can't even parse how stupid this is. For that matter, modern ignoramous atheists such as yourself have stolen heliocentrism, calculus and classical physics from the Roman Catholics who invented them.

heavenlyblue 8y ago

>> neither adopted as a result of the Christian scriptures (it was inherited from the pagan Greeks) The geo-centric view comes from religions older than Greek culture which was then stolen by Christians. But it was as much a heresy (well, heresy is a Christian concept, but you know what I mean) to say that Earth is not center in the world in the _religions_ of ancient Greece as much as it was in _religions_ of Christianity. Thus my point still stands: the science behind anything is in direct confrontation with any religious teaching that ever existed. Thus religions should not exist.

lliamander 8y ago
I don't know what to tell you. I've already given a link to an essay describing the arguments that Christian scholars from medieval and renaissance times debating the issue. I could find others. Apparently it wasn't that much of a heresy.
- heavenlyblue 8y ago
  Yeah, but Christian philosophy wasn’t (as against to theology) developed by Christians. They just copied most of Plato and then changed him to fit the narrative of their scriptures. While destroying anyone who was considered a heretic (eg the argument between Gnostics and Adoptionists). And heretics were simply people who believed in interpretations of the scriptures which were simply a hit off the official one. Doesn’t that seem so much like USSR?
  - scottlocklin 8y ago
    > Christian philosophy wasn’t (as against to theology) developed by Christians... Christian philosophy was, in fact, developed by Christians. Actually, Roman Catholicism was fairly tolerant towards heretics; there's this giant 2000 page book called "a history of the Spanish heterodox" which lists hundreds of interesting heresies which existed in the tiny country of Spain alone. The USSR, by contrast, liquidated more people in an average year than the entire Spanish inquisition did over centuries. Religious bigotry and pig ignorance isn't a good look. Preposterous statements about philosophical ideas being "stolen by the Christians" is on all fours with ... I can't even parse how stupid this is. For that matter, modern ignoramous atheists such as yourself have stolen heliocentrism, calculus and classical physics from the Roman Catholics who invented them.