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I agree and I'd like to add that (not related to traffic nor density but just pure spread of population density), from what I saw, there doesn't seem to be in C

I agree and I'd like to add that (not related to traffic nor density but just pure spread of population density), from what I saw, there doesn't seem to be in CS (Cities Skylines) any relation between low-density & high-density areas, meaning that I can start right away building high-density areas with no in/direct realtime/historical impact of any kind. We can (proably should?) debate about how these mechanics should work, but I think that it must be true that any city needs in some percentage both areas (e.g. as well the extreme being built now "on demand" for the World Cup in Qatar - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusail ) must need both, or maybe not if they modeled the city based on CS haha. I think that I could have similar points as well for the "education" in CS - I never (still don't know) if the elementary schools that I place are a foundation for people that will then go later to College and/or University - I still place them because I personally believe in the scala Elementary=>maybe_College=>maybe_University, but who knows... . (ok, this boils down mainly to a lack of transparency/informations for the user, independently if what CS does is good or wrong from the point of view of the user)

amyjess 8y ago
So, according to the Cities: Skylines wiki [0], cims who move into high-density residential areas are younger and less likely to procreate than cims who move into low-density residential. That's an interesting way to differentiate them, but it's also something that's very specific to present-day America. And middle-class America, at that. Kind of odd that Skylines is developed by a Finnish company and published by a Swedish one, given how US-centric that model is. I've also written elsewhere in this thread about how Skylines doesn't have a concept of class stratification, either, and that's a problem: the only way to create neighborhoods with distinct class implications (e.g. the ghetto) is to use the RICO mod and plop buildings directly. There's no real concept of medium-density, either: the closest it comes is to zone high-density and put it in a district with the High Rise Ban ordinance. Or, again, use RICO. Oh, and growables are limited to no more than 4x4 tiles... if you want bigger buildings (e.g. a sprawling suburban apartment complex), your only option is RICO. [0] https://skylines.paradoxwikis.com/Zoning https://skylines.paradoxwikis.com/Zoning
- zepearl 8y ago
  > Kind of odd that Skylines is developed by a Finnish company and published by a Swedish one, given how US-centric that model is. I totally agree, and maybe there has been some discussions about this in the past (I forgot about those early webcasts) - but for a company to align to the US market (probably the largest & most uniform around) is usually probably the safest bet - I still admit of being a little bit sad :| > There's no real concept of medium-density, either Now that you say it, I think that (a realistic - see previous posts) medium-density would be absolutely important to model european cities. > limited to no more than 4x4 tiles You're right but personally I don't really care about this for the time being (meaning that the other problems have for me absolute priority compared to this) - maybe they just randomly put a safe limit for their first release to avoid indirect potential complications... - I would have most probably done the same, so I won't dig into this hehe. > I've also written elsewhere in this thread about how Skylines doesn't have a concept of class stratification I agree. Summarizing after all these posts & remarks, I feel sad that the studio so far developed only add-ons that do not improve the core of the simulation but only add more distractions and/or superficial complexity around it :P (E.g. I did buy "Mass Transit" but it didn't give me the feeling that it improved the game but just gave me a few more alternatives - and actually "mass transit" is in my opinion associated to trains & metro, therefore absolutely not fitting cablecars/blimps/ferry/etc...) But maybe.... they be working on aggregating key-improvements for their next CS2? Who knows... :)
  - distances 8y ago
    I agree about the expansions, they have been a disappointment in general. Mass Transit was the highlight, but didn't go nearly far enough and still concentrated on the eye candy. I do understand that they try to appeal to the larger market -- people running the game as a simulation is surely a minority. That said, it's still currently the best city sim by far. Hoping that Citybound will change that at some point :)

amyjess 8y ago

So, according to the Cities: Skylines wiki [0], cims who move into high-density residential areas are younger and less likely to procreate than cims who move into low-density residential. That's an interesting way to differentiate them, but it's also something that's very specific to present-day America. And middle-class America, at that. Kind of odd that Skylines is developed by a Finnish company and published by a Swedish one, given how US-centric that model is. I've also written elsewhere in this thread about how Skylines doesn't have a concept of class stratification, either, and that's a problem: the only way to create neighborhoods with distinct class implications (e.g. the ghetto) is to use the RICO mod and plop buildings directly. There's no real concept of medium-density, either: the closest it comes is to zone high-density and put it in a district with the High Rise Ban ordinance. Or, again, use RICO. Oh, and growables are limited to no more than 4x4 tiles... if you want bigger buildings (e.g. a sprawling suburban apartment complex), your only option is RICO. [0] https://skylines.paradoxwikis.com/Zoning https://skylines.paradoxwikis.com/Zoning

zepearl 8y ago
> Kind of odd that Skylines is developed by a Finnish company and published by a Swedish one, given how US-centric that model is. I totally agree, and maybe there has been some discussions about this in the past (I forgot about those early webcasts) - but for a company to align to the US market (probably the largest & most uniform around) is usually probably the safest bet - I still admit of being a little bit sad :| > There's no real concept of medium-density, either Now that you say it, I think that (a realistic - see previous posts) medium-density would be absolutely important to model european cities. > limited to no more than 4x4 tiles You're right but personally I don't really care about this for the time being (meaning that the other problems have for me absolute priority compared to this) - maybe they just randomly put a safe limit for their first release to avoid indirect potential complications... - I would have most probably done the same, so I won't dig into this hehe. > I've also written elsewhere in this thread about how Skylines doesn't have a concept of class stratification I agree. Summarizing after all these posts & remarks, I feel sad that the studio so far developed only add-ons that do not improve the core of the simulation but only add more distractions and/or superficial complexity around it :P (E.g. I did buy "Mass Transit" but it didn't give me the feeling that it improved the game but just gave me a few more alternatives - and actually "mass transit" is in my opinion associated to trains & metro, therefore absolutely not fitting cablecars/blimps/ferry/etc...) But maybe.... they be working on aggregating key-improvements for their next CS2? Who knows... :)
- distances 8y ago
  I agree about the expansions, they have been a disappointment in general. Mass Transit was the highlight, but didn't go nearly far enough and still concentrated on the eye candy. I do understand that they try to appeal to the larger market -- people running the game as a simulation is surely a minority. That said, it's still currently the best city sim by far. Hoping that Citybound will change that at some point :)