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The massive externalities are two-fold though both good and bad. Whats the positive externalities worth compared to the negative, thats imo a better way to thin
by ThomPete 8y ago
The massive externalities are two-fold though both good and bad. Whats the positive externalities worth compared to the negative, thats imo a better way to think about this.
Also does solar include externalities such as of decommission, price of extracting rare earth materials, externalities with regard to production and setting up?
My guess is that nuclear is going to win and that we are going to reduce the cost of creating the powerplants by reducing the bureaucracy around it because of the newer reactors safetymeasures (physics based).
- Krasnol 8y agoI'm sure you also didn't include costs for nuclear waste, plant decomission, set up etc. > My guess is that nuclear is going to win My guess is that nuclear is never to be seen again, as it should be.
- acidburnNSA 8y agoNuclear waste and plant decmissioning are actually all included in nuclear LCOE. This is quite unique. Nuclear plants all pay into a multi-billion dollar thing called the Nuclear Waste Fund and all have trust funds for decommissioning. In fact, some have suggested that as decommissioning costs are coming in lower than expected, some utilities are factoring in access to those decom funds in their decisions to close plants early.
- Krasnol 8y agoIt certainly doesn't feel so priced in in Germany right now where the taxpayer has to pay for formerly "safe" mine dumps and decommissioning.
- ThomPete 8y agoIts all included in nuclear. And newer plants will be able to eat its own waste. Not wanting to see nuclear again sounds very regressive to me, but ok if you dont care about co2 there is certainly not need for it.
- Krasnol 8y ago> but ok if you dont care about co2 From all those cheap arguments the lobby has brought up here (and there are not many), this one is the absolutely worse. There is no group of people who want don't want nuclear but want coal. There is no nuclear vs. coal discussion out there outside the nuclear fans. Coal is going away. The only reason breaking the progress here in Germany is politics and just another lobby. Still there are new coal plants here that have not generated a single watt and go into decommission now. Others follow because we don't have the need for them and they are clogging the power lines for clean renewable power. This is common knowledge where I come from. So please, stop repeating this very very stupid phrase.
- ThomPete 8y agoI didn't make a nuclear vs. coal argument I made a nuclear vs. no nuclear argument.
- Krasnol 8y agoYou implied that no nuclear = not caring about co2.
- ThomPete 8y agoYes and it is but that has nothing to do with just coal, thats to do with no other real alternative to producing the amount of energy required by modern societies besides co2 emitting processes wether oil, coal, wind, gas or solar.
- Krasnol 8y agoI don't understand how you think, you could have made anything better with this comment.
- gridlockd 8y ago> ...reducing the bureaucracy around it.... Bureaucracy only ever increases, according to the second law of thermodynamics.