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It is done because an overwhelming majority of those entering the country illegal are hispanic. There isn't much more to it than that. It's not racism just beca

It is done because an overwhelming majority of those entering the country illegal are hispanic. There isn't much more to it than that. It's not racism just because they happen to be the race doing it. If it were any other race it would be treated the exact same way.

drewrv 8y ago
If I could convince you that the largest block of visa overstays are from Canada, and that a good chunk of them are from European countries, would you reconsider whether targeting Hispanic people is racist? https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-overstayed-us-visas-in-2016/ https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...
- lamarpye 8y ago
  Are most of these Canadian visa holed up in the various Motel 6s in the Washington area? I imagine the ICE fished in this area, because it was a good spot to catch fish. In general, I don't think much of the government, but I am sure they have metrics. The local ICE satrap isn't going to keep sending people to Motel 6 if they aren't catching any fish.
  - omegaworks 8y ago
    It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go through to try to find an after-the-fact justification for targeted racist policy. The administration is run by white supremacists. They overtly and covertly signal their support for neo-nazis, and have campaigned on their overt bias against hispanic immigrants. Where is Occam's Razor in this case? Why is this simple explanation invalidated by a more complex one?
    - lamarpye 8y ago
      Why was this particular policy started under Obama? Interested to hear your mental acrobatics. Let me apply Occam's Razor, a lot of government employees are lazy, so going to the Motel 6 makes sense. Get the names, run some queries, arrest some people, hit my target number, the boss is happy. We have been doing this since 2015, why fix it, if it isn't broken.
      - omegaworks 8y ago
        Why do you assume Obama was or could have been any better? The same people held power in 2015: Graham, McConnell, Sessions. The same media institutions toed the line. McCain got the whole nationalist jingoism ball rolling with Sarah Palin on his ticket.
        lamarpye 8y ago
        Because Obama is in charge of the Executive Branch, the President sets policy and Obama was President for 8 years. I also don't have this cognitive dissonance where I blame the current occupant of an office for the policy his predecessor started.
        omegaworks 7y ago
        I hold to account whoever has power now. I don't play the "whataboutism" game, because it is unwinnable. There was always someone in the past that has done worse. What matters is progress.
        lamarpye 7y ago
        No, you are not. You are blaming Trump for a policy that was started when Obama was President. This isn't a "whataboutism" situation. When called on it, you tried to blame Republican Senators, even though they were in the minority when this policy was started.
        omegaworks 7y ago
        I'm blaming Trump for continuing and amplifying the policy's negative effects. Hundreds of families have been separated by border enforcement without any records[1]. Children are being taken from their mothers and fathers and forcibly adopted via agencies run by white evangelical churches[2]. You're trying to deflect from the actual, unprecedented harm being caused now to people on the border by pointing at history. Even the fact underlying your basic premise is wrong: Republicans had the majority in both houses of congress in January 3, 2015[3], gaining the Senate after having held the House since January 3, 2011. They continued to hold both in majority until the past midterm elections seated a Democratic house majority this January. 1. https://www.vox.com/2019/2/21/18234767/parents-separated-children-families-border-trump-jails https://www.vox.com/2019/2/21/18234767/parents-separated-chi... 2. https://newrepublic.com/article/149161/uncertain-fate-migrant-children-sent-foster-care https://newrepublic.com/article/149161/uncertain-fate-migran... 3. https://ballotpedia.org/114th_United_States_Congress https://ballotpedia.org/114th_United_States_Congress
- paulddraper 8y ago
  Yes, so long as most illegal immigrantion is visa overstays.
  - omegaworks 8y ago
    Most illegal immigration is visa overstays. https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu...
    - paulddraper 8y ago
      Then we have some non-intuitive results. Because the majority of the U.S.'s 11 million illegal immigrants are Mexican, and 80% are from Central and South America. [1] [1] Migration Policy Institute, 2015 https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthorized-immigrants-united-states-country-and-region-birth https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthoriz...

drewrv 8y ago

If I could convince you that the largest block of visa overstays are from Canada, and that a good chunk of them are from European countries, would you reconsider whether targeting Hispanic people is racist? https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-overstayed-us-visas-in-2016/ https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...

lamarpye 8y ago
Are most of these Canadian visa holed up in the various Motel 6s in the Washington area? I imagine the ICE fished in this area, because it was a good spot to catch fish. In general, I don't think much of the government, but I am sure they have metrics. The local ICE satrap isn't going to keep sending people to Motel 6 if they aren't catching any fish.
- omegaworks 8y ago
  It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go through to try to find an after-the-fact justification for targeted racist policy. The administration is run by white supremacists. They overtly and covertly signal their support for neo-nazis, and have campaigned on their overt bias against hispanic immigrants. Where is Occam's Razor in this case? Why is this simple explanation invalidated by a more complex one?
  - lamarpye 8y ago
    Why was this particular policy started under Obama? Interested to hear your mental acrobatics. Let me apply Occam's Razor, a lot of government employees are lazy, so going to the Motel 6 makes sense. Get the names, run some queries, arrest some people, hit my target number, the boss is happy. We have been doing this since 2015, why fix it, if it isn't broken.
    - omegaworks 8y ago
      Why do you assume Obama was or could have been any better? The same people held power in 2015: Graham, McConnell, Sessions. The same media institutions toed the line. McCain got the whole nationalist jingoism ball rolling with Sarah Palin on his ticket.
      - lamarpye 8y ago
        Because Obama is in charge of the Executive Branch, the President sets policy and Obama was President for 8 years. I also don't have this cognitive dissonance where I blame the current occupant of an office for the policy his predecessor started.
        omegaworks 7y ago
        I hold to account whoever has power now. I don't play the "whataboutism" game, because it is unwinnable. There was always someone in the past that has done worse. What matters is progress.
        lamarpye 7y ago
        No, you are not. You are blaming Trump for a policy that was started when Obama was President. This isn't a "whataboutism" situation. When called on it, you tried to blame Republican Senators, even though they were in the minority when this policy was started.
        omegaworks 7y ago
        I'm blaming Trump for continuing and amplifying the policy's negative effects. Hundreds of families have been separated by border enforcement without any records[1]. Children are being taken from their mothers and fathers and forcibly adopted via agencies run by white evangelical churches[2]. You're trying to deflect from the actual, unprecedented harm being caused now to people on the border by pointing at history. Even the fact underlying your basic premise is wrong: Republicans had the majority in both houses of congress in January 3, 2015[3], gaining the Senate after having held the House since January 3, 2011. They continued to hold both in majority until the past midterm elections seated a Democratic house majority this January. 1. https://www.vox.com/2019/2/21/18234767/parents-separated-children-families-border-trump-jails https://www.vox.com/2019/2/21/18234767/parents-separated-chi... 2. https://newrepublic.com/article/149161/uncertain-fate-migrant-children-sent-foster-care https://newrepublic.com/article/149161/uncertain-fate-migran... 3. https://ballotpedia.org/114th_United_States_Congress https://ballotpedia.org/114th_United_States_Congress
paulddraper 8y ago
Yes, so long as most illegal immigrantion is visa overstays.
- omegaworks 8y ago
  Most illegal immigration is visa overstays. https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu...
  - paulddraper 8y ago
    Then we have some non-intuitive results. Because the majority of the U.S.'s 11 million illegal immigrants are Mexican, and 80% are from Central and South America. [1] [1] Migration Policy Institute, 2015 https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthorized-immigrants-united-states-country-and-region-birth https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthoriz...