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If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture "Paint part of a

If you think agreeing to appear in a video with a white supremacist and joking about his "kek" statue doesn't paint at least part of a picture "Paint part of a picture," Is just another way of saying "Narrative." To me, it's more telling that your best, leading example of a place where the media got its facts wrong is Shiva Ayyadurai is also telling So it doesn't matter that they got the facts wrong, because the people they are getting the facts wrong about are "bad" people. Sorry, but that's morally bankrupt. That's the classic moral stance to justify propaganda. Who in the past took actions against people they thought were generally bad, facts be damned? You appear to be in an epistemological calamity. You seem to be trapped in a bubble, where proof invalidating the bubble is sequestered through unsupported narratives. also paints part of a picture (not one I've described on the thread so far, just to be clear) So then you threaten to tar me by association as well? Again, it's this pushing of a narrative with no proof. (Just to be clear, all identitarians are in the wrong. All politics by violence is bad. All politics by intimidation is equally bad, as is disdain for facts and the truth.)

tptacek 8y ago
I am simply going to point out again that your best example of the media getting its facts wrong is a video in which "Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai,PhD(M.I.T.) Inventor of Email" --- a repeat InfoWars guest! --- complains about a BuzzFeed listicle-grade story that is itself at pains to point out that the (very few) attendees of an anti-left demonstration in Boston were not all white supremacists. As you've no doubt surmised: not many people are interested in following you down "Hard News Network" video rabbit holes, for the same reason that even though the big-bad-scary-media reports it to be so, we're also not all that interested in what Alex Jones has to say about the Sandy Hook victims or the effectiveness of vaccines. As I said, the picture you're painting of yourself is not the same picture Shiva Ayyadurai has painted of himself. But I can sum both up as: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
- tptacek 8y ago
  By the way: it is my understanding, a personal, subjective understanding based on reportage and accounts from other people that I have read, presented here as a statement of my own opinion and not a relation of specific facts, that the claim that Shiva Ayyadurai invented email is laughable.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    By the way: it is my understanding, a personal, subjective understanding based on reportage and accounts from other people that I have read, presented here as a statement of my own opinion and not a relation of specific facts, that the claim that Shiva Ayyadurai invented email is laughable. I wouldn't disagree with that. None of that is really relevant, however.
    - tptacek 8y ago
      It's not relevant whether the source you presented for your claim that the media got the Boston right-wing rally wrong is himself (a conclusion I've drawn from sources and reporting and, to be clear, a statement of pure opinion and not of fact, and I will remind you: opinion about a very public figure) habitually dishonest?
- stcredzero 8y ago
  your best example of the media getting its facts wrong You say "best." It's just one example. You are implicitly admitting that it is an example of where the mainstream media got the facts wrong: a BuzzFeed listicle-grade story that is itself at pains to point out that the (very few) attendees of an anti-left demonstration in Boston were not all white supremacists. Furthermore you are also admitting that the mainstream media narrative ran 180 degrees counter to the truth. "Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai,PhD(M.I.T.) Inventor of Email" Then you cover it up by spinning a narrative. None of that is relevant. Also, thanks for demonstrating the mechanism of pushing narrative once again. As I said, the picture you're painting of yourself is not the same picture Shiva Ayyadurai has painted of himself. The point is not to convince you. The purpose for me is for 3rd party readers to see. So long as someone speaks out against the narratives, other dissidents will see that someone, somewhere understands. But in the interest of hope, please pay attention to exactly what it is that you are saying. You have admitted that 1) the mainstream media got the facts wrong, 2) the media narrative was pushing in a deceptive direction in the opposite direction from the facts, and 3) nothing of the factual accuracy of the media, or the fidelity of its pushed narrative matters to you because the targeted people are reprehensibles. Isn't this the attitude of every arrogant, out of touch elite, unknowingly doing injustice in history, ever? In what moral universe, is it alright that the news sources are so wildly wrong, and the narrative is so contrary to the truth, but it's alright because the subjects are so disliked? I know of extra-legal organizations from just a few decades back who didn't care too much about who exactly was guilty of what, or the facts, just that the people they were acting against were thought of as "reprehensibles" in their world view and also had the "correct" external attributes to be their appropriate targets -- in short, to fit their narratives. I've had such actions taken against me, personally, by such people. Such actions are particularly unjust, at root precisely because of the epistemological disconnect. When I engage in such discussions here, it's this very disconnect which most strongly motivates me. Please pay attention that you are taking, in principle, such a stance. If your attitude is at all representative of SV CEOs in general, then that doesn't bode well for society at all.
  - tptacek 8y ago
    I'm neither in silicon valley nor a CEO. Are you sure you're alright?

tptacek 8y ago

I am simply going to point out again that your best example of the media getting its facts wrong is a video in which "Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai,PhD(M.I.T.) Inventor of Email" --- a repeat InfoWars guest! --- complains about a BuzzFeed listicle-grade story that is itself at pains to point out that the (very few) attendees of an anti-left demonstration in Boston were not all white supremacists. As you've no doubt surmised: not many people are interested in following you down "Hard News Network" video rabbit holes, for the same reason that even though the big-bad-scary-media reports it to be so, we're also not all that interested in what Alex Jones has to say about the Sandy Hook victims or the effectiveness of vaccines. As I said, the picture you're painting of yourself is not the same picture Shiva Ayyadurai has painted of himself. But I can sum both up as: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

tptacek 8y ago
By the way: it is my understanding, a personal, subjective understanding based on reportage and accounts from other people that I have read, presented here as a statement of my own opinion and not a relation of specific facts, that the claim that Shiva Ayyadurai invented email is laughable.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  By the way: it is my understanding, a personal, subjective understanding based on reportage and accounts from other people that I have read, presented here as a statement of my own opinion and not a relation of specific facts, that the claim that Shiva Ayyadurai invented email is laughable. I wouldn't disagree with that. None of that is really relevant, however.
  - tptacek 8y ago
    It's not relevant whether the source you presented for your claim that the media got the Boston right-wing rally wrong is himself (a conclusion I've drawn from sources and reporting and, to be clear, a statement of pure opinion and not of fact, and I will remind you: opinion about a very public figure) habitually dishonest?
stcredzero 8y ago
your best example of the media getting its facts wrong You say "best." It's just one example. You are implicitly admitting that it is an example of where the mainstream media got the facts wrong: a BuzzFeed listicle-grade story that is itself at pains to point out that the (very few) attendees of an anti-left demonstration in Boston were not all white supremacists. Furthermore you are also admitting that the mainstream media narrative ran 180 degrees counter to the truth. "Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai,PhD(M.I.T.) Inventor of Email" Then you cover it up by spinning a narrative. None of that is relevant. Also, thanks for demonstrating the mechanism of pushing narrative once again. As I said, the picture you're painting of yourself is not the same picture Shiva Ayyadurai has painted of himself. The point is not to convince you. The purpose for me is for 3rd party readers to see. So long as someone speaks out against the narratives, other dissidents will see that someone, somewhere understands. But in the interest of hope, please pay attention to exactly what it is that you are saying. You have admitted that 1) the mainstream media got the facts wrong, 2) the media narrative was pushing in a deceptive direction in the opposite direction from the facts, and 3) nothing of the factual accuracy of the media, or the fidelity of its pushed narrative matters to you because the targeted people are reprehensibles. Isn't this the attitude of every arrogant, out of touch elite, unknowingly doing injustice in history, ever? In what moral universe, is it alright that the news sources are so wildly wrong, and the narrative is so contrary to the truth, but it's alright because the subjects are so disliked? I know of extra-legal organizations from just a few decades back who didn't care too much about who exactly was guilty of what, or the facts, just that the people they were acting against were thought of as "reprehensibles" in their world view and also had the "correct" external attributes to be their appropriate targets -- in short, to fit their narratives. I've had such actions taken against me, personally, by such people. Such actions are particularly unjust, at root precisely because of the epistemological disconnect. When I engage in such discussions here, it's this very disconnect which most strongly motivates me. Please pay attention that you are taking, in principle, such a stance. If your attitude is at all representative of SV CEOs in general, then that doesn't bode well for society at all.
- tptacek 8y ago
  I'm neither in silicon valley nor a CEO. Are you sure you're alright?