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>I merely assert that the motivations for racial profiling stems more from actual statistics and cost-benefit analysis than intrinsic irrational racism as I thi

>I merely assert that the motivations for racial profiling stems more from actual statistics and cost-benefit analysis than intrinsic irrational racism as I think you suggest. That doesn't make racial profiling any more ethical or correct. The evidence is so overwhelming that intrinsic irrational racism is part of the reason why it is done. That evidence includes direct rhetoric of the current administration.

maccio92 8y ago
It is done because an overwhelming majority of those entering the country illegal are hispanic. There isn't much more to it than that. It's not racism just because they happen to be the race doing it. If it were any other race it would be treated the exact same way.
- drewrv 8y ago
  If I could convince you that the largest block of visa overstays are from Canada, and that a good chunk of them are from European countries, would you reconsider whether targeting Hispanic people is racist? https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-overstayed-us-visas-in-2016/ https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...
  - lamarpye 8y ago
    Are most of these Canadian visa holed up in the various Motel 6s in the Washington area? I imagine the ICE fished in this area, because it was a good spot to catch fish. In general, I don't think much of the government, but I am sure they have metrics. The local ICE satrap isn't going to keep sending people to Motel 6 if they aren't catching any fish.
    - omegaworks 8y ago
      It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go through to try to find an after-the-fact justification for targeted racist policy. The administration is run by white supremacists. They overtly and covertly signal their support for neo-nazis, and have campaigned on their overt bias against hispanic immigrants. Where is Occam's Razor in this case? Why is this simple explanation invalidated by a more complex one?
      - lamarpye 8y ago
        Why was this particular policy started under Obama? Interested to hear your mental acrobatics. Let me apply Occam's Razor, a lot of government employees are lazy, so going to the Motel 6 makes sense. Get the names, run some queries, arrest some people, hit my target number, the boss is happy. We have been doing this since 2015, why fix it, if it isn't broken.
        omegaworks 8y ago
        Why do you assume Obama was or could have been any better? The same people held power in 2015: Graham, McConnell, Sessions. The same media institutions toed the line. McCain got the whole nationalist jingoism ball rolling with Sarah Palin on his ticket.
        lamarpye 8y ago
        Because Obama is in charge of the Executive Branch, the President sets policy and Obama was President for 8 years. I also don't have this cognitive dissonance where I blame the current occupant of an office for the policy his predecessor started.
        omegaworks 8y ago
        I hold to account whoever has power now. I don't play the "whataboutism" game, because it is unwinnable. There was always someone in the past that has done worse. What matters is progress.
        lamarpye 8y ago
        No, you are not. You are blaming Trump for a policy that was started when Obama was President. This isn't a "whataboutism" situation. When called on it, you tried to blame Republican Senators, even though they were in the minority when this policy was started.
        8y ago
  - paulddraper 8y ago
    Yes, so long as most illegal immigrantion is visa overstays.
    - omegaworks 8y ago
      Most illegal immigration is visa overstays. https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu...
      - paulddraper 8y ago
        Then we have some non-intuitive results. Because the majority of the U.S.'s 11 million illegal immigrants are Mexican, and 80% are from Central and South America. [1] [1] Migration Policy Institute, 2015 https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthorized-immigrants-united-states-country-and-region-birth https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthoriz...

maccio92 8y ago

It is done because an overwhelming majority of those entering the country illegal are hispanic. There isn't much more to it than that. It's not racism just because they happen to be the race doing it. If it were any other race it would be treated the exact same way.

drewrv 8y ago
If I could convince you that the largest block of visa overstays are from Canada, and that a good chunk of them are from European countries, would you reconsider whether targeting Hispanic people is racist? https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-overstayed-us-visas-in-2016/ https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...
- lamarpye 8y ago
  Are most of these Canadian visa holed up in the various Motel 6s in the Washington area? I imagine the ICE fished in this area, because it was a good spot to catch fish. In general, I don't think much of the government, but I am sure they have metrics. The local ICE satrap isn't going to keep sending people to Motel 6 if they aren't catching any fish.
  - omegaworks 8y ago
    It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go through to try to find an after-the-fact justification for targeted racist policy. The administration is run by white supremacists. They overtly and covertly signal their support for neo-nazis, and have campaigned on their overt bias against hispanic immigrants. Where is Occam's Razor in this case? Why is this simple explanation invalidated by a more complex one?
    - lamarpye 8y ago
      Why was this particular policy started under Obama? Interested to hear your mental acrobatics. Let me apply Occam's Razor, a lot of government employees are lazy, so going to the Motel 6 makes sense. Get the names, run some queries, arrest some people, hit my target number, the boss is happy. We have been doing this since 2015, why fix it, if it isn't broken.
      - omegaworks 8y ago
        Why do you assume Obama was or could have been any better? The same people held power in 2015: Graham, McConnell, Sessions. The same media institutions toed the line. McCain got the whole nationalist jingoism ball rolling with Sarah Palin on his ticket.
        lamarpye 8y ago
        Because Obama is in charge of the Executive Branch, the President sets policy and Obama was President for 8 years. I also don't have this cognitive dissonance where I blame the current occupant of an office for the policy his predecessor started.
        omegaworks 8y ago
        I hold to account whoever has power now. I don't play the "whataboutism" game, because it is unwinnable. There was always someone in the past that has done worse. What matters is progress.
        lamarpye 8y ago
        No, you are not. You are blaming Trump for a policy that was started when Obama was President. This isn't a "whataboutism" situation. When called on it, you tried to blame Republican Senators, even though they were in the minority when this policy was started.
        8y ago
- paulddraper 8y ago
  Yes, so long as most illegal immigrantion is visa overstays.
  - omegaworks 8y ago
    Most illegal immigration is visa overstays. https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu...
    - paulddraper 8y ago
      Then we have some non-intuitive results. Because the majority of the U.S.'s 11 million illegal immigrants are Mexican, and 80% are from Central and South America. [1] [1] Migration Policy Institute, 2015 https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthorized-immigrants-united-states-country-and-region-birth https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthoriz...