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It's easier to curb poverty if you don't let it migrate into your country.

dba7dba 8y ago
I'm surprised above comment hasn't been downvoted to oblivion. It can come across as cold/racist/nationalistic, but it is something that needs to be debated out in open.
- txru 8y ago
  I would describe it as a Culture War grenade. Throw a grenade behind you, don't look back. Doesn't cost much to the thrower.
- lazyjones 8y ago
  Why would it be racist or nationalistic? Canada is very open to educated and wealthy migrants from all cultural / ethnic backgrounds and I appreciate it. Likewise, poor Migrants from Germany are just as undesirable als poor Africans. It's an indisputable fact that they will have less poverty this way. My comment will be downvoted anyway. Simply because some people don't like facts that are in the way of their ideological facade.
  - jrace 8y ago
    What about the 25,000 Syrian refuges we brought in over the past few years?
    - frosted-flakes 8y ago
      Refugees are different. They don't fall under the regular immigration rules.
tenpies 8y ago
And to be fair, the general consensus is that Trudeau has de-facto dissolved the US border since he came into power. It has been problematic for the cities and provinces who ultimately have to house/care for the people that the Federal government decides to allow into the country, the takes 2 or more years to process. Toronto for example, saw its tiny shelter surplus evaporate and over 40% of those using shelters are now of the "irregular" immigration category [1]. It got so bad that certain hotels became de-facto shelters (with the tab picked up by the tax payers). It's something to be quite aware of because it is impossible to do this without generating some level of resentment by the people who feel their hospitality is being exploited. Thankfully winter is over so being homeless is no longer a death sentence, but Canada should not be used as an example of how to handle poverty or immigration at this moment. --- [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-toronto-stands-by-data-showing-almost-40-per-cent-of-people-in/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-toron...
- lwansbrough 8y ago
  > Canada should not be used as an example of how to handle poverty or immigration at this moment We’re merely picking up the slack for the US’ horrendous (recent) approach to immigration.
leesec 8y ago
So why are so many people born here also in poverty?
fzeroracer 8y ago
Funny, considering I was born and raised in the US yet I grew up poor. And yet I don't see the US doing anything to stop 'domestic' poverty. In fact, I see programs being dismantled for the poor and downtrodden.
lazyant 8y ago
Canada has more immigrants than the US per capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...
- timbit42 8y ago
  Are not immigrants being accepted into Canada of higher wealth and skill than those being accepted into the U.S.?

I'm surprised above comment hasn't been downvoted to oblivion. It can come across as cold/racist/nationalistic, but it is something that needs to be debated out in open.

txru 8y ago
I would describe it as a Culture War grenade. Throw a grenade behind you, don't look back. Doesn't cost much to the thrower.
lazyjones 8y ago
Why would it be racist or nationalistic? Canada is very open to educated and wealthy migrants from all cultural / ethnic backgrounds and I appreciate it. Likewise, poor Migrants from Germany are just as undesirable als poor Africans. It's an indisputable fact that they will have less poverty this way. My comment will be downvoted anyway. Simply because some people don't like facts that are in the way of their ideological facade.
- jrace 8y ago
  What about the 25,000 Syrian refuges we brought in over the past few years?
  - frosted-flakes 8y ago
    Refugees are different. They don't fall under the regular immigration rules.

tenpies 8y ago

And to be fair, the general consensus is that Trudeau has de-facto dissolved the US border since he came into power. It has been problematic for the cities and provinces who ultimately have to house/care for the people that the Federal government decides to allow into the country, the takes 2 or more years to process. Toronto for example, saw its tiny shelter surplus evaporate and over 40% of those using shelters are now of the "irregular" immigration category [1]. It got so bad that certain hotels became de-facto shelters (with the tab picked up by the tax payers). It's something to be quite aware of because it is impossible to do this without generating some level of resentment by the people who feel their hospitality is being exploited. Thankfully winter is over so being homeless is no longer a death sentence, but Canada should not be used as an example of how to handle poverty or immigration at this moment. --- [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-toronto-stands-by-data-showing-almost-40-per-cent-of-people-in/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-toron...

lwansbrough 8y ago
> Canada should not be used as an example of how to handle poverty or immigration at this moment We’re merely picking up the slack for the US’ horrendous (recent) approach to immigration.

leesec 8y ago

So why are so many people born here also in poverty?

fzeroracer 8y ago

Funny, considering I was born and raised in the US yet I grew up poor. And yet I don't see the US doing anything to stop 'domestic' poverty. In fact, I see programs being dismantled for the poor and downtrodden.

lazyant 8y ago

Canada has more immigrants than the US per capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...

timbit42 8y ago
Are not immigrants being accepted into Canada of higher wealth and skill than those being accepted into the U.S.?