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Why would ICE run "latino-sounding" names through and not just all names through whatever ICE database they're cross-referencing? Did they get a 10,000 page pri

Why would ICE run "latino-sounding" names through and not just all names through whatever ICE database they're cross-referencing? Did they get a 10,000 page print out instead of a spreadsheet file? (why not Scan + OCR + cross reference with database - would be way faster) Just seems like ICE employees are only targeting latinos... intentionally. And that's the most bothering part of this to me. We're cool with Swedes overstaying their welcome...

sonnyblarney 8y ago
The article is misleading and there's no indication there was any intent to target Latinos, rather, as a result of the handover, Latinos ended up being targeted i.e. if Latinos are more likely on ICE's target list (entirely plausible) than this is going to happen after cross referencing. Edit: re-reading now and it indicates ICE was highlighting Latino names specifically.
- bradlys 8y ago
  From the article: > "According to our interviews with employees at Motel 6," he told NPR's Scott Simon, "ICE agents would circle the names that looked Latino-sounding and ran those names through a database and then would detain individuals based on those random checks." Seems pretty intentional targeting to me.
  - sonnyblarney 8y ago
    Yes, I re-read that and that definitely implies some kind of filtering, my bad.
KorematsuFred 8y ago
Well anyone who has dealt with ICE, Border Patrol this does not even remotely surprise me. I had a French-American friend who went to France without his daughter's American passport. When he returned back the Agent did not even ask to see the little girls passport. Had this guy been Latino he would be called a child smuggler.
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- nraynaud 8y ago
  Strange stuff happens when exiting France when you're not white too. I was in line at the exit control, and the black family ahead of me had issues because they couldn't provide the passport they entered the country with (they came for renewal of their French passport, the Prefecture had it, they were exiting on their Canadian passport). I was completely baffled at the policeman harassing freaking Canadian citizens exiting the country.
  - timdev2 8y ago
    The passport control officers were probably upset/suspicious because they couldn't establish when the family entered the country (or schengen zone), and thus couldn't confirm that they hadn't overstayed. From the officer's perspective, here's this Canadian with no entry stamp in their passport. One would assume that the usual procedure for expats to renew their passport is to do it through the embassy or consulate in their country of residence.
basic6 8y ago
Probably because it's not 1 million Swedes entering the country illegally every year.
- wan23 8y ago
  To be fair, it's not 1 million of anyone entering the country illegally every year.
  - caprese 8y ago
    To be fair, it was clear to me that was hyperbole and it got the point across, which is the purpose of language.
  - YeahSureWhyNot 8y ago
    70k arrested for illegal border crossing in march only. I would say it's definitely more than a million if you count the ones who didn't get arrested
    - YeahSureWhyNot 8y ago
      its funny how other members upvote the comment that contains a fact from a CBP website and HN mods come in and downvote it. Dear liberal SV people, facts don't disappear just because you downplay them, ask your favorite Hillary:) edit: im assuming its mods downvoting because points go down by 3 but up by 1 at a time
      - caprese 8y ago
        well you can't assume who is downvoting but the mods will tell you that it is "noisy" at the beginning and that you can't glean anything from it they'll also tell you that you can't talk about voting (an interpretation of their site guidelines, when convenient), so you can't complain about it or even talk about it as that will also attract downvotes and they'll also simultaneously believe that it is accurate for downvoted people to be rate-limited for hours on end, preventing them from even responding to a thread that could change how people view their original downvoted message, until any message that doesn't currently have consensus is censored completely and the "noise maker" is shadowbanned there aren't that many mods here. would be nice if this was a little more holistic
paulddraper 8y ago
> We're cool with Swedes overstaying their welcome... I think it has less to do with "being cool with Swedes", and more to do with the fact that illegal immigrants are -- statistically speaking -- overwhelming Hispanic, and anyone identifying illegals will have better results among Hispanics. I don't think anyone is more cool with a Swede conducting a terrorist attack than an Arab. Rather, any tenancy to profile Arabs as terrorists comes from the fact that most terrorists are Arabic. --- This is not to justify the practice of racial profiling. I merely assert that the motivations for racial profiling stems more from actual statistics and cost-benefit analysis than intrinsic irrational racism as I think you suggest.
- omegaworks 8y ago
  >I merely assert that the motivations for racial profiling stems more from actual statistics and cost-benefit analysis than intrinsic irrational racism as I think you suggest. That doesn't make racial profiling any more ethical or correct. The evidence is so overwhelming that intrinsic irrational racism is part of the reason why it is done. That evidence includes direct rhetoric of the current administration.
  - maccio92 8y ago
    It is done because an overwhelming majority of those entering the country illegal are hispanic. There isn't much more to it than that. It's not racism just because they happen to be the race doing it. If it were any other race it would be treated the exact same way.
    - drewrv 8y ago
      If I could convince you that the largest block of visa overstays are from Canada, and that a good chunk of them are from European countries, would you reconsider whether targeting Hispanic people is racist? https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-overstayed-us-visas-in-2016/ https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...
      - 8y ago
thatoneuser 8y ago
Seems reasonable to look more heavily on Latinos. Not that I agree with it but if your jobs success is determined by metrics, then you're gonna go for the lowest fruit. We're not that concerned with illegals from halfway around the world were concerned with the southern border, hence us building a wall just ok the south. Again I don't agree but it's not hard to see why an agent would make that particular decision if they did.
onetimemanytime 8y ago
>>Just seems like ICE employees are only targeting latinos... intentionally. And that's the most bothering part of this to me. We're cool with Swedes overstaying their welcome... Different teams deal with visa overstaying. In that area, most of illegal immigrants are almost certainly latinos. I guess that if a group of 14 Nigerian males showed up at Motel 6, they'd call ICE too.

sonnyblarney 8y ago

The article is misleading and there's no indication there was any intent to target Latinos, rather, as a result of the handover, Latinos ended up being targeted i.e. if Latinos are more likely on ICE's target list (entirely plausible) than this is going to happen after cross referencing. Edit: re-reading now and it indicates ICE was highlighting Latino names specifically.

bradlys 8y ago
From the article: > "According to our interviews with employees at Motel 6," he told NPR's Scott Simon, "ICE agents would circle the names that looked Latino-sounding and ran those names through a database and then would detain individuals based on those random checks." Seems pretty intentional targeting to me.
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  Yes, I re-read that and that definitely implies some kind of filtering, my bad.

KorematsuFred 8y ago

Well anyone who has dealt with ICE, Border Patrol this does not even remotely surprise me. I had a French-American friend who went to France without his daughter's American passport. When he returned back the Agent did not even ask to see the little girls passport. Had this guy been Latino he would be called a child smuggler.

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nraynaud 8y ago
Strange stuff happens when exiting France when you're not white too. I was in line at the exit control, and the black family ahead of me had issues because they couldn't provide the passport they entered the country with (they came for renewal of their French passport, the Prefecture had it, they were exiting on their Canadian passport). I was completely baffled at the policeman harassing freaking Canadian citizens exiting the country.
- timdev2 8y ago
  The passport control officers were probably upset/suspicious because they couldn't establish when the family entered the country (or schengen zone), and thus couldn't confirm that they hadn't overstayed. From the officer's perspective, here's this Canadian with no entry stamp in their passport. One would assume that the usual procedure for expats to renew their passport is to do it through the embassy or consulate in their country of residence.

basic6 8y ago

Probably because it's not 1 million Swedes entering the country illegally every year.

wan23 8y ago
To be fair, it's not 1 million of anyone entering the country illegally every year.
- caprese 8y ago
  To be fair, it was clear to me that was hyperbole and it got the point across, which is the purpose of language.
- YeahSureWhyNot 8y ago
  70k arrested for illegal border crossing in march only. I would say it's definitely more than a million if you count the ones who didn't get arrested
  - YeahSureWhyNot 8y ago
    its funny how other members upvote the comment that contains a fact from a CBP website and HN mods come in and downvote it. Dear liberal SV people, facts don't disappear just because you downplay them, ask your favorite Hillary:) edit: im assuming its mods downvoting because points go down by 3 but up by 1 at a time
    - caprese 8y ago
      well you can't assume who is downvoting but the mods will tell you that it is "noisy" at the beginning and that you can't glean anything from it they'll also tell you that you can't talk about voting (an interpretation of their site guidelines, when convenient), so you can't complain about it or even talk about it as that will also attract downvotes and they'll also simultaneously believe that it is accurate for downvoted people to be rate-limited for hours on end, preventing them from even responding to a thread that could change how people view their original downvoted message, until any message that doesn't currently have consensus is censored completely and the "noise maker" is shadowbanned there aren't that many mods here. would be nice if this was a little more holistic

paulddraper 8y ago

> We're cool with Swedes overstaying their welcome... I think it has less to do with "being cool with Swedes", and more to do with the fact that illegal immigrants are -- statistically speaking -- overwhelming Hispanic, and anyone identifying illegals will have better results among Hispanics. I don't think anyone is more cool with a Swede conducting a terrorist attack than an Arab. Rather, any tenancy to profile Arabs as terrorists comes from the fact that most terrorists are Arabic. --- This is not to justify the practice of racial profiling. I merely assert that the motivations for racial profiling stems more from actual statistics and cost-benefit analysis than intrinsic irrational racism as I think you suggest.

omegaworks 8y ago
>I merely assert that the motivations for racial profiling stems more from actual statistics and cost-benefit analysis than intrinsic irrational racism as I think you suggest. That doesn't make racial profiling any more ethical or correct. The evidence is so overwhelming that intrinsic irrational racism is part of the reason why it is done. That evidence includes direct rhetoric of the current administration.
- maccio92 8y ago
  It is done because an overwhelming majority of those entering the country illegal are hispanic. There isn't much more to it than that. It's not racism just because they happen to be the race doing it. If it were any other race it would be treated the exact same way.
  - drewrv 8y ago
    If I could convince you that the largest block of visa overstays are from Canada, and that a good chunk of them are from European countries, would you reconsider whether targeting Hispanic people is racist? https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-overstayed-us-visas-in-2016/ https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...
    - 8y ago

thatoneuser 8y ago

Seems reasonable to look more heavily on Latinos. Not that I agree with it but if your jobs success is determined by metrics, then you're gonna go for the lowest fruit. We're not that concerned with illegals from halfway around the world were concerned with the southern border, hence us building a wall just ok the south. Again I don't agree but it's not hard to see why an agent would make that particular decision if they did.

onetimemanytime 8y ago

>>Just seems like ICE employees are only targeting latinos... intentionally. And that's the most bothering part of this to me. We're cool with Swedes overstaying their welcome... Different teams deal with visa overstaying. In that area, most of illegal immigrants are almost certainly latinos. I guess that if a group of 14 Nigerian males showed up at Motel 6, they'd call ICE too.