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It's not that the Dems have a bad message. It's that republican propoganda has made it hard to make inroads in these places no matter the message. Trump said h

It's not that the Dems have a bad message. It's that republican propoganda has made it hard to make inroads in these places no matter the message. Trump said he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose a single voter. And he's right.

mastox 8y ago
Who should non-racist proud white Americans, that believe in individuals over groups first, and doesn't care who marries who or why, vote for?
- eximius 8y ago
  For now, not Republicans. Republicans (the politicians) don't care about individuals, despite what they claim, and they downright disagree with the rest of your position behind closed doors. If we can change our voting system, then maybe I can give you better advice. Until then, game theory suggests voting Democrat. > proud white Americans Better be careful here. Proud to be an American is okay. Proud to be white... why should anyone be proud of the color of their skin? Even if it should be okay (but honestly white people have an awful history, as do most skin colors if you look back far enough), it's so arbitrary. There's nothing to be proud of, you just have specific pigmentation.
  - mastox 8y ago
    > Better be careful here. Proud to be an American is okay. Proud to be white... why should anyone be proud of the color of their skin? Even if it should be okay (but honestly white people have an awful history, as do most skin colors if you look back far enough), it's so arbitrary. There's nothing to be proud of, you just have specific pigmentation. I cannot argue with any of this, and highlights some of my flawed thinking. I guess I thought of "white americans" as an abstraction of Americans of European decent. So I guess, I don't know the proper way to convey "Someone who is proud of their European heritage, and proud of being an American."
- nickthemagicman 8y ago
  White Americans? You apparently do care about groups over individuals, using that classification.

mastox 8y ago

Who should non-racist proud white Americans, that believe in individuals over groups first, and doesn't care who marries who or why, vote for?

eximius 8y ago
For now, not Republicans. Republicans (the politicians) don't care about individuals, despite what they claim, and they downright disagree with the rest of your position behind closed doors. If we can change our voting system, then maybe I can give you better advice. Until then, game theory suggests voting Democrat. > proud white Americans Better be careful here. Proud to be an American is okay. Proud to be white... why should anyone be proud of the color of their skin? Even if it should be okay (but honestly white people have an awful history, as do most skin colors if you look back far enough), it's so arbitrary. There's nothing to be proud of, you just have specific pigmentation.
- mastox 8y ago
  > Better be careful here. Proud to be an American is okay. Proud to be white... why should anyone be proud of the color of their skin? Even if it should be okay (but honestly white people have an awful history, as do most skin colors if you look back far enough), it's so arbitrary. There's nothing to be proud of, you just have specific pigmentation. I cannot argue with any of this, and highlights some of my flawed thinking. I guess I thought of "white americans" as an abstraction of Americans of European decent. So I guess, I don't know the proper way to convey "Someone who is proud of their European heritage, and proud of being an American."
nickthemagicman 8y ago
White Americans? You apparently do care about groups over individuals, using that classification.