3 ms·

I have no dispute about the facts about intersex people. Their existence just doesn't support the idea that "binary is bullshit", and your use of "male" and "f

I have no dispute about the facts about intersex people. Their existence just doesn't support the idea that "binary is bullshit", and your use of "male" and "female" ironically demonstrates the usefulness of those concepts. > Gender afaik is not all that different for fashion. Writing in general and especially poetry was considered male thing. It was weird for girl to do it. Now it is considered girl thing (at least where I live). Yeah, it's not that different from fashion because it is a form of fashion. My point is that if gender is sex-optional, then it's a totally useless term that's superseded by the word fashion. > Consciously and subconsciously, people do and don't do things based on what makes them look weird vs normal or popular or fitting in. Or they just follow cues That's true. And it's also true that people have certain behaviors because of biological conditions acting upon them. For instance, do you think that most females are statistically attracted to males just because it's normal, or that females can be conditioned to be homosexual if society worked differently? If not, then why not also apply the steps you use to reach that conclusion to gender expression?

watwut 8y ago
First, it makes perfect sense to have more general and more specific words. Second, fashion implies clothing and quick change. Gender identity is something very important to people, they don't throw it just like that. They get more offended over others having wrong gender expression. Small kids treat gender as something super important and get more relaxed as they grow from kindergarten. > For instance, do you think that most females are statistically attracted to males just because it's normal, or that females can be conditioned to be homosexual if society worked differently? Homosexual acts are more common in single sex groups like prisons. So yeah, humans have certain flexibility. Bisexual people would be more likely to choose opposite sex partner in homosexuality tolerant society then in the one where it is frowned upon and illegal. > If not, then why not also apply the steps you use to reach that conclusion to gender expression? Cause there is this neat trick where some or unknown amount of hormonal impact is extrapolated to all of gender differences as you are trying to do here. Or something completely unrelated being extrapolated at gender as you also do here. There was no biological change that would influence writing affinity, just social one. When women were all expected to be stay at home, some of their behavior was influenced by the lonely-whole-day stay at home person experience - that would lead to different gender expression too compared to males who went to work with other people. That is why.

watwut 8y ago

First, it makes perfect sense to have more general and more specific words. Second, fashion implies clothing and quick change. Gender identity is something very important to people, they don't throw it just like that. They get more offended over others having wrong gender expression. Small kids treat gender as something super important and get more relaxed as they grow from kindergarten. > For instance, do you think that most females are statistically attracted to males just because it's normal, or that females can be conditioned to be homosexual if society worked differently? Homosexual acts are more common in single sex groups like prisons. So yeah, humans have certain flexibility. Bisexual people would be more likely to choose opposite sex partner in homosexuality tolerant society then in the one where it is frowned upon and illegal. > If not, then why not also apply the steps you use to reach that conclusion to gender expression? Cause there is this neat trick where some or unknown amount of hormonal impact is extrapolated to all of gender differences as you are trying to do here. Or something completely unrelated being extrapolated at gender as you also do here. There was no biological change that would influence writing affinity, just social one. When women were all expected to be stay at home, some of their behavior was influenced by the lonely-whole-day stay at home person experience - that would lead to different gender expression too compared to males who went to work with other people. That is why.