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That's a pretty broad generalisation over a lot of countries that constitute Asia. Japan and Korea for example are consistently ranked above many west european

That's a pretty broad generalisation over a lot of countries that constitute Asia. Japan and Korea for example are consistently ranked above many west european countries in terms of freedom [1]. And many asian countries are at about the middle in these rankings. [1] https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index-new https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index-new

darkpuma 8y ago
Japan and Korea being highly developed nations with with capital punishment, unlike the developed nations of Europe, seems to support his point. Those were your counter-examples, probably because next to Singapore they look moderate, but they're not even good counter-examples. In 2014, 80% of adults in Japan supported capital punishment, making it far more popular in Japan than it is even in America: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/12/28/national/crime-legal/number-inmates-awaiting-death-penalty-japan-end-2017-expected-123/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/12/28/national/crime-...
- poptrex 8y ago
  I'm not sure how capital punishment is relevant, but the US also has capital punishment, in spite of being "developed" and ranking high on the index. And the number of people actually being executed in the US is much higher than Japan or Korea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#Capital_punishment_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#Capital_pun...
  - darkpuma 8y ago
    Everyone here knows America has the death penalty. That's probably a big part of why you compared Japan to "western european countries" rather than America. Saying that a country has saner law and order than America is considered damning with faint praise. To reiterate: America executes more people than Japan, but in Japan execution is far more popular than in America. In America, capital punishment is very controversial, but in Japan it enjoys broad public support. To the original point, per wikipedia: >"Of the countries/regions categorized as 'very high' on the Human Development Index, 10 countries perform capital punishment: the United States, Japan, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Belarus, Oman, and Taiwan" Of those, one is in North America, one in Eastern Europe, five in the Middle East, and three in Asia. It strains credibility to suggest that Asia, moreso than Western Europe, is known for a progressive justice system. > "I'm not sure how capital punishment is relevant" Because the matter being discussed is "most Asian governments' preference for strict and harsh governance."
whoevercares 8y ago
Many lines are invisible to westerners because it’s built-in the culture, e.g. ever wonder why they do 90 degree bows?
monksy 8y ago
South Korea threatened its citizens in Canada with punishments if they partake in a legal activity outside their borders. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/23/world/asia/cannabis-canada-south-korea.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/23/world/asia/cannabis-canad...

darkpuma 8y ago

Japan and Korea being highly developed nations with with capital punishment, unlike the developed nations of Europe, seems to support his point. Those were your counter-examples, probably because next to Singapore they look moderate, but they're not even good counter-examples. In 2014, 80% of adults in Japan supported capital punishment, making it far more popular in Japan than it is even in America: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/12/28/national/crime-legal/number-inmates-awaiting-death-penalty-japan-end-2017-expected-123/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/12/28/national/crime-...

poptrex 8y ago
I'm not sure how capital punishment is relevant, but the US also has capital punishment, in spite of being "developed" and ranking high on the index. And the number of people actually being executed in the US is much higher than Japan or Korea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#Capital_punishment_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#Capital_pun...
- darkpuma 8y ago
  Everyone here knows America has the death penalty. That's probably a big part of why you compared Japan to "western european countries" rather than America. Saying that a country has saner law and order than America is considered damning with faint praise. To reiterate: America executes more people than Japan, but in Japan execution is far more popular than in America. In America, capital punishment is very controversial, but in Japan it enjoys broad public support. To the original point, per wikipedia: >"Of the countries/regions categorized as 'very high' on the Human Development Index, 10 countries perform capital punishment: the United States, Japan, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Belarus, Oman, and Taiwan" Of those, one is in North America, one in Eastern Europe, five in the Middle East, and three in Asia. It strains credibility to suggest that Asia, moreso than Western Europe, is known for a progressive justice system. > "I'm not sure how capital punishment is relevant" Because the matter being discussed is "most Asian governments' preference for strict and harsh governance."

whoevercares 8y ago

Many lines are invisible to westerners because it’s built-in the culture, e.g. ever wonder why they do 90 degree bows?

monksy 8y ago

South Korea threatened its citizens in Canada with punishments if they partake in a legal activity outside their borders. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/23/world/asia/cannabis-canada-south-korea.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/23/world/asia/cannabis-canad...